It does feel as though you lose something when you lose the 'Wrong' and end up with just a 'wrong'. What exactly is it that we lose, and why are we so reluctant to give it up? — shmik
Yeh, one of the reasons that I was thinking specifically about condemnation is that people are often not trying to convince anyone of anything at all. It's not as if people are constantly arguing with those who don't think Nazis were that bad. It seems like they lose something even if they cannot (objectively) condemn the Nazi's privately.Maybe there's more to it than that... — Baden
One concern that comes up when speaking about relativism is that it doesn't allow us to condemn Nazi Germany. — shmik
You're using "relativist" in place of "subjectivist" there. They're not the same thing. Relativists can think that morality is relative to cultures, for example, but not to individuals. So for those sorts of relativists, it's not personal condemnation, but cultural. Anyway, subjectivists do not think "personal condemnation isn't enough." They rather realize that personal condemnation is what moral condemnation IS, regardless of what anyone believes or wants to believe about it.For whatever reason personal condemnation isn't enough there has to be something else, some truth or objectivity which is on our side. — shmik
Another thought would be that without a Wrong we could never settle a moral discussion as there is nothing but conflicting opinions butting up against each other. — shmik
My initial naïve conception of what is going on is that people feel like their views would be impotent without this foundation. But, their views are impotent anyway — shmik
It does feel as though you lose something when you lose the 'Wrong' and end up with just a 'wrong'. What exactly is it that we lose, and why are we so reluctant to give it up? — shmik
Does it prohibit us from bombing them in the name of our household gods? Maybe we have to distinguish between an abstract relativism and a gut-level active investment in ideas of what reality "should" look like. "We want things this way. That's enough."One concern that comes up when speaking about relativism is that it doesn't allow us to condemn Nazi Germany. — shmik
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