I've always found One Truthers scary. :scream: Discussion is pointless. :fear: Shame. :roll: — Pattern-chaser
Or killing everyone!
— karl stone
I note just one last time: no-one has suggested killing. Except you. The human race could be got rid of, if that is our aim, by simply preventing us breeding. There is no need/call for piles of bodies. Straw man. — Pattern-chaser
I am however arguing that science constitutes a highly valid and coherent understanding of reality - we need government and industry to be responsible to, or we're all going to die. — karl stone
Okay Pattern, tell me - what happens when enough people don't sign up for your approach? — karl stone
I mean to say that adopting my "beliefs" will save the world. I'm not asking - I'm telling. — karl stone
I've always found One Truthers scary. :scream: Discussion is pointless. :fear: Shame. :roll: — Pattern-chaser
I'm not a "one truther." — karl stone
Then why are you 'telling, not asking', as you say? :chin: You are not open to comments that don't support your preferred course. You are not open to anything that doesn't support your preferred course. Is this not your One Truth, alternatives to which you will not discuss or consider? That's how it looks. — Pattern-chaser
Nothing. This is a discussion forum. I'm not out to convert anyone to a radical course. This topic asks how to save the world, and I (and others) have offered alternatives that you seem unwilling to consider. So tell me, what happens when enough people don't sign up for your approach? Nothing, I imagine...? :chin: — Pattern-chaser
Would this include a detached, objective, impartial, evidence based observation of the human condition, built upon the thousands of years of history we have available to examine? Are human beings part of the reality which we should seek to develop a coherent understanding of? — Jake
You suggested I was asking you and other people generally How to Save the World. Well no, I'm telling you how. — karl stone
OK. There is to be no discussion. So why're you wasting time posting here? You should be out there in the world, implementing your plans. The world is in a parlous state. You'd better get to it! Good luck. — Pattern-chaser
No. Absolutely not. Freedom baby! There's a principle that both limits the legitimate implications of science as truth - and lends science the authority to overrule ideology, and that is existential necessity! i.e. if we don't we'll die! — karl stone
Should an engineer building a faster race car take in to account the abilities and limitations of the driver? Would doing so tend to make the car safer? Or is the human driver irrelevant to the subject of auto mechanics? — Jake
Or that basically many Americans understand "class" as "caste". A caste system goes against the idea of America, yet class is different and far more elusive. A genuine well functioning meritocracy does produce classes of people. Class simply sounds too leftist and Americans have problems with word. One example is that sociology sounded too much socialist, hence Americans started to use the term "behaviourism".Most American workers have been taught to not see class. That 5% of the population owns more wealth than the rest of the population is unbelievable to many Americans. Credit that to pervasive miseducation. — Bitter Crank
I remember this whimsically hypocrite argument thrown around when talking about what to do with the domesticated animals when everybody is ordered to be a vegan and we get rid of the animals that we farm. It becomes quite absurd when talking about preventing people to have babies.I note just one last time: no-one has suggested killing. Except you. The human race could be got rid of, if that is our aim, by simply preventing us breeding. There is no need/call for piles of bodies. Straw man. :roll: — Pattern-chaser
So who are these ‘adults’ (enlightened folk like yourself?) that will limit the powers available to the ‘children’? — praxis
If men shouldn't because they're too violent, should women, who are too timid be trusted with power. I think there has to be a better balance. — BrianW
So who are these ‘adults’ (enlightened folk like yourself?) that will limit the powers available to the ‘children’?
— praxis
If you're interested in this question, you'll try to answer it yourself. If you don't try, you're not interested, and thus it wouldn't be a good use of our time to engage on the subject.
I suspect you're just looking for something you can reject. If true, you can look forward to me saying the above a lot. — Jake
the eradication of the human race as the solution to save the World is a bit tongue in cheek discourse — ssu
I asking who these adult-adults are. — praxis
How to save the world? Will fuel from hydrogen solve all our problems, even if we can implement it quickly? I suspect not. Not without quite a number of other radical changes. What are these changes, the ones that will/could "save the world"? — Pattern-chaser
But psychologically, the requirement that would make all these things happen is an end to the divisive religion of Me. Humanity cannot survive divorced from the ecosystem, and the failure of thinking that runs from the op through the thread is to assume that our love of technology - our love of our possessions does not need to be extended to the whole environment. The green world is our body, it is our breath, and an iron lung is no solution. — unenlightened
I’m asking who these adult-adults are.
— praxis
Who do you think they are?
Please note how you made NO EFFORT to address the question yourself. — Jake
For children, there are adults who can responsibly handle dangerous substances and technologies and effectively limit the access children have to them for the children's safety. For adults, there is no more mature class that may reliably act as ‘adult-adults’.
we must be correct to reality, else we shall be rendered extinct. — karl stone
Did you not read this the first time around? — praxis
But psychologically, the requirement that would make all these things happen is an end to the divisive religion of Me. — unenlightened
If the "religion of Me" as you put it could be substantially edited for the better that would presumably make us saner and wiser, and thus more capable of successfully managing more powerful technologies. — Jake
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