Perhaps it's a distinction that I'm missing? — Wayfarer
So I stated my view. — Terrapin Station
And I took issue with it. And you said 'hey that's not my view'. So I quoted you, to show that it actually was. Your move. — Wayfarer
No. Your reactions are objective facts - they're not dependent on anyone's opinion.No. Your personal tastes are dependent on your physical/emotional reaction to consuming anchovies — ChrisH
Which makes it subjective. — Terrapin Station
No. It's an objective fact.If you've actually consumed anchovies, you don't have an opinion on whether or not you like them - you either do or you don't. — ChrisH
Liking or not liking something is your opinion — Terrapin Station
No. Your reactions — ChrisH
Are your reactions mental phenomena? — Terrapin Station
"Mental phenomena" are brain states. Brain states are objective aspects of our world. Claims about brain states are objective claims.
Did you understand the distinction I was making in my previous post? Claims about one's own brain states are objective claims. — ChrisH
What definition of subjective/objective were you using? If mental states are objective in your view, what phenomena is subjective? — Terrapin Station
1) "I like anchovies." (Objective factual claim)
2) "Anchovies are delicious." (Subjective opinion) — ChrisH
It's claims (propositions), not "phenomena", that are subjective or objective. I gave an example of the distinction between subjective and objective claims in my last but one post. — ChrisH
An opinion is an evaluative claim.1. A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
1.1 The beliefs or views of a group or majority of people.
1.2 An estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.
You just asked for a definition (you didn't say "of subjective/objective").Did you notice above where I asked "how about giving a definition"of subjective/objective? — Terrapin Station
What definition of subjective/objective were you using? If mental states are objective in your view, what phenomena is subjective? — Terrapin Station
How about giving a definition rather than an example? — Terrapin Station
"I like anchovies" isn't an opinion, because presumably it's not a view or judgment formed about something? — Terrapin Station
That's right. It's a straightforward factual claim. — ChrisH
Both are factual (non-judgmental) statements about the speaker.Sure, so help me out. "I like" seems like an estimation of the quality or worth of something. "I like" versus "I dislike" seems to be a judgment. — Terrapin Station
It seems to me that they're facts — Terrapin Station
So it's not a fact that the speaker has made a judgment that he/she likes anchovies? — Terrapin Station
"I like x" is a judgment. — Terrapin Station
"I like x" is a factual claim. Either I do (sincere) or I don't (I'm lying) — ChrisH
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