Well something appears to have worked in North Korea. — Hallucinogen
In Europe we have a higher average IQ and education, however Americans get to have a more reasonable, useful government. — DiegoT
Angry Americans should try and live in Europe, then they could appreciate more their advantages. — DiegoT
With only two parties, you can gather an impossible level of consensus in my continent, and take great measures very quickly. — DiegoT
In a press conference Saturday afternoon in Northern California President Donald Trump did not blame climate change for the deadliest wildfire the nation has seen in a century, but said instead that Finland doesn’t have the same problem because “they spend a lot of time on raking” leaves.
"You’ve got to take care of the floors. You know the floors of the forest, very important. You look at other countries where they do it differently and it’s a whole different story,” Trump said standing next to California Governor Jerry Brown and Governor-elect Gavin Newsom.
“I was with the president of Finland and he said, ‘We have a much different—we're a forest nation.’ He called it a forest nation, and they spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things,” Trump said, making a moving motion with his hand. “And they don't have any problem.”
I think only with humor can we find something good in our present situation, and laugh so we don't cry. — Athena
I am old and do like the insinuation that being old is being stupid. — Athena
Um, outside your home lawn I don't think Finns do that. Of course except for particular nature reserves, the forests are from time to time cut down and managed.Do they rake a lot in Finland? — frank
Frank, rightist (just as leftist) discussion points or memes can be fact based. Not everything is make believe. Best propaganda is based on facts: you just pick what facts you want to use.Environmentalists didnt block controlled burns. They blocked the creation of deforested corridors that would have limited wildfires. That's not a rightist meme. That actually happened. — frank
Frank, rightist (just as leftist) discussion points or memes can be fact based. Not everything is make believe. Best propaganda is based on facts: you just pick what facts you want to use. — ssu
Of course what Trump is referring to is one popular critique cherished especially on the right. Forests in climates where they turn into tinderboxes because of the warm, dry climate, raking the forest floor is a sound procedure — ssu
Yep. Here the ecological succession of a forest takes roughly about 100-200 years. And if you ever have been in a forest that has been left to it's natural state, it's extremely difficult to move in with all the fallen down trees.People who think forests must be entirely left alone are not ecologists, their knowledge of ecology is poor. — DiegoT
Politically speaking, it is how we prepare our young for thinking that concerns me most. I am convinced the 1958 National Defense Education Act, and replacing education for independent thinking with groupthink and leaving moral training to the church, is what lead to the election of Trump and that same education many years ago, in a different country, resulted in the election of someone Trump seems to be role modeling. — Athena
Of course, you will object that good training is not groupthink. — SophistiCat
have read that among the culprits of these megafires are... firefighters. — SophistiCat
Some people from Paradise, CA are hell-bent on rebuilding. Well, maybe it just isn't a good idea to rebuild in harms way. — Bitter Crank
Trump has got nothing to do with it. He simply made the correct call — hks
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