You are right about that formal structure. What is fascinating is the attempt to capture flow in that formal structure. — macrosoft
I think you are missing my point. I'm not talking about feelings. I am talking about intuitions of 'pure form.' Or rather intuitions of almost pure form, since there is still some drag in material. We need the visual prop. — macrosoft
Yeah, it's interesting to think of the different ways in which painting, for example, can capture flow; life, movement, intensity; very different than mathematics! — Janus
OK, I'm not sure what you are going for then. You mean generalized forms likes cones, cubes, spheres and so on; or something else? — Janus
Music is maybe supreme at this. — macrosoft
We have a basic grasp of 'pure unity,' of a kind of pure object that is nothing but this unity. — macrosoft
Yes, though in way I think this notion of 'identity pure and simple' is the very exemplar of the reduction of dynamis to stasis. All very essential to intellectual grasping; something whole and complete to hold (yet it keeps slipping from the grasp, nonetheless!) — Janus
Music (as performed) is an essentially dynamic form, whereas as painting, for example, is not. — Janus
the idealist's claim (original post) that the existence of the external world cannot be proved is irrefutable. — philosophy
the idealist's claim (original post) that the existence of the external world cannot be proved is irrefutable.
— philosophy
No it's not — creativesoul
Whatever I experience I experience as an idea in my mind — philosophy
it is impossible to perceive an unperceived object by definition. — philosophy
belief in the external world, i.e. a world independent of my experience of it, cannot be based on reason but on faith. — philosophy
Do you think such a view can be refuted? — philosophy
i understand, but i'm saying we have a lot of evidence that shows difference in perception of the things on a really interesting level, not just seeing colors differently, — Nicolás Navia
Imagine if you were a musician and you were to go into a recording studio, and anytime you try to talk about or work on anything in that situation, one guy in the band were to only talk about how soundwaves travel through the air, how they work as electrical signals in cables, the mixing board, etc.
That's fine and it's certainly a factor that everyone is aware of to some extent, but if that guy seems to ONLY be able to talk about that, he'd drive you crazy--you'd think something is wrong with him, in some sort of weird OCD or autistic/Aspie/"idiot savant" way, and it would be frustrating in that you'd not be able to work on anything with him, because he just constantly obsesses on soundwaves and how electrical signals in cables amount to sound transmission.
That's what it's like when people keep obsessing on epistemology, semantics/semiotics, etc. regardless of what topic you're talking about. — Terrapin Station
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