I hold the notion that "suicide" is the conclusion of emotional reasoning gone wild. Otherwise, if you're happy, then why would you want to commit suicide? It seems like the misery of life, that can get to a person is the reason why one would want to commit suicide.
Hence, the need to be cautious about the conclusions derived from emotional reasoning. — Wallows
As far as what people generally think, I think MindForged hit the nail on the head. I don't think it's a moral problem as much as a moralized emotion. For myself...
There is nothing morally wrong with being sick. And in the great majority of cases where suicidal ideation occurs it is the result of sickness, and not deliberate action. So it is right to intervene in those cases since the person's very agency is compromised by the sickness.
Suicide is not morally wrong -- it's a tragedy, not something to be condemned, even in cases where we might say a person is rational rather than sick.
The terribleness of suicidal ideation has more to do with the pain associated, and not with some sort of moral duty or something. There is also the real threat that someone could die from it, just as someone can die from lung cancer. — Moliere
Some people have more of a fear of dying rather than mere death. Serious contemplation of suicide seems to be in a way, hopeful. Hopeful that there is an escape from the issues one faces. Yet, on the other hand, it can be quiet dark, as there may be other solutions available. In some ways, thinking about it can be a bit of an anxiety release as one has that option, and at least pondering it helps sooth the claustrophobic sensation of being trapped in life.I see no problem with suicidal thoughts, people should think about death alot in my opinion, so that it demystifies it. Fear and anxiety over death is at the root of many evils.
Obviously, if someone is sick, they should be helped but thinking about suicide doesnt mean you are sick. Indeed, we would want someone to think long and hard before they commit suicide. Its no small thing.
As for suicide itself, I also don’t see a problem. There is just something unacceptable about forcing someone to live if they would rather die to me. Whatever sovereignty a person has for themselves, the last shred of it will be found in the ability to, if nothing else in life, decide when you keep living or not. — DingoJones
Perhaps it is not emotional reasoning, in some cases, people struggle with those thoughts regardless of the emotional state. Happiness is an emotion, hence the reason to NOT die would be a result of emotional reasoning. — Waya
Several points from me
when I’m being dragged down into the inferno my suicidal thoughts manifest themselves as fantasy, an irrational urge to end a (struggle).
When I’m flying high the thoughts appear as something equally irrational but strangley rather beautiful.
When “normal” I think it’s a ‘rational’ conclusion of the critical thought of a sensitive individual. A kind of post-modernist intrusion upon the classical soul.
It’s beauty that keeps one alive in my view.
That’s just a few ramblings that come to mind. Another I guess just quickly is suicide and death may be scary for some but it’s entirely dependent upon philosophy but I do wonder upon that final moment. The Anna Karanina moment. And also the Martyred Socrates moment.
Apologies for rambles — Dan84
Well, suicide stigma seems to be worse in collectivist societies in my opinion. In collectivist societies, people often have a duty to their families, their community, and country. While in more individualistic societies, people have a duty only for their own personal well being and the well being of their children until they are 18. — TheHedoMinimalist
I personally think that the preference of the individual should usually outweigh the preference of the collective in regards to suicide or any other issue. — TheHedoMinimalist
The strange thing about the general prohibition against suicide is that seeking help from loved ones or even a clinic (ie. exposing the problem) also feels taboo to a lot of people.
To be suicidal and seek help is to admit to being weak and the stigma of being weak (dependent) is looked down on in our individualist culture. — Nils Loc
Not when it comes to killing folks though? That is one tough kind of individual preference to favor but maybe it's no different than admitting that anyone is free to kill anyone else, so long as they're willing to deal with the collective's consequence. — Nils Loc
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