Well I just think that is completely backwards. It pains me to side with conservatives on anything, but in this matter I do. Actually I am highly suspicious of the 'politics of identity' and the fact that sexual pleasure has now been declared a civil right, but I had better shut up before I get myself banned. — Wayfarer
Quite the reverse in my opinion. I don't know where this "sexually repressive environment" of which you speak is located. Maybe among the Mormons, the Amish, and certain Muslim immigrants? Everywhere else in the U.S. and the West as a whole the ideology of sexual liberation reigns victorious. I don't know how much more "complete" it can get. — Thorongil
The liberals/progressives will probably say that they have science on their side.
The scientific evidence shows, they will probably say, that sexually liberated people have healthier relationships, lower rates of unplanned pregnancies, better mental health, etc. than sexually repressed people.
"To limit human sexuality in any way other than consent is harmful!", they will probably tell you. "All of the scientific evidence says so!", they will probably tell you.
If you present scientific evidence of harmful effects of pornography they will probably counter with, oh, "Sexually repressed evangelicals in the Bible Belt consume the most pornography". — WISDOMfromPO-MO
If people do not have a healthy, safe, legal, free outlet then the result is unhealthy outlets, the thinking goes. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
That's not the lib/prog view, whatever that could be. — Akanthinos
If anything could constitute The Lib/Prog view is that, in weird terms, self-objectification is a form of empowerement, in the sense that the commodification of a subject's performance, if the choice and dynamics of this commodification remains mostly in the hands of the subject, is a form of liberation. Baudrillard put this in very eloquent words in The system of objects. — Akanthinos
individuals should be encouraged to take complete ownership of their sexuality; and they should take that complete ownership at as early an age as possible. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
Social scientists studying human sexuality try to produce objective inquiries, I am sure. But the social sciences do not have the precision of physics, chemistry, etc. and, therefore, we may never know how people really, honestly--honest with themselves, not just others--feel about sex. There is a lot to gain politically by filling that void, and liberals/progressives, not just conservatives, aggressively work to make their ideology fill it and dominate every person's life. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
We, as individuals, are not just cogs of a community we belong it. You mentioned psychotheraeputic venues. This could imply that the difficulites individuals face in understanding themselves sand others sexually is one of pathology, although you may not have meant it in that way. To me, sexual undestanding is a subset of larger belief systems that evolve culturally. Think of cultural movements like the Rennaissance, enlightenment, modernism and the postmodern. These eras express overlapping conceptions of the world in art, literature, philosophy, science and music. They also mark changing erotic worldviews. — Joshs
This seems more a trope of sexual assault theology than anything grounded in evidence. Many rapes (e.g. those which occur during wartime) seem nothing more than opportunistic coerced copulation. It is highly dubious that a crime whose defining component is sexual has nothing to do with sexual gratification on the part of the attacker. (I am not denying that some attackers are excited, motivated, or even aroused by the thought of imposing their will on a less-powerful victim, only that this is the primary motivator in most or all male-on-female sexual assaults.)Sexual assault, we are told, is not about sex. It is about power, we are told. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
Not necessarily: I don't know that Matt Lauer, for instance, was especially liberal, despite being in the supposedly liberal news media. Fox News (not an overly liberal place) has also been struck by a number of such claims. And Roy Moore may be just a tad right of center :D.Then again, this recent tidal wave of sexual harassment accusations has mostly been against men in some of the supposedly most progressive/liberal places in society, such as Hollywood, the news media, and the Democratic Party. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
I completely disagree with the OP more so because this utopia simply does not exist neither is it likely to, but complete sexual liberation is clearly not the answer to our problems. If not, then what is? — TimeLine
Gender roles arent simply imposed by culture onto individuals in a top-down fashion but also make sense to many of them relative to their own larger worldviews — Joshs
Slogans proscribing violence against women, using a voabulary of social appropriateness and norms, tend to essentialize an issue which needs a more relativistic approaches understanding. Such legalistic, moralistic approaches run the risk of being complcit in what they oppose, and may only perpetuate the problem by failing to grasp underlying causes. — Joshs
I dont see their issues in terms of a failure to be in touch with reality, but rather a need to understand themselves and others in their own terms more effectively. — Joshs
That's why harassment is far more likely to happen in an environment where there's hierarchy eg workplace.Everything is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.
I wonder how common the "pleasure in power over" actually is. — Bitter Crank
You’ve never heard of kids burning up ants with magnifying glasses? — javra
I find it naive to believe that power-over is not an endemic aspect of what we are as humans. — javra
I don’t recall ever being pinched in the ass by a stranger while in public — javra
In short, we disagree. — javra
Sexual assault, we are told, is not about sex. It is about power, we are told. — WISDOMfromPO-MO
I don't think we disagree all that much. — Bitter Crank
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