I think you are conflating consciousness with awareness. We are aware of only a few things at a time, but our conscious activity covers a lot more ground. So it is awareness that is a "surface phenomenon," but awareness is only a small part of consciousness. — SophistiCat
I am interested to hear what others think on this? — philosophy
"Mentality" isn't the same thing as "consciousness." If one believes that there are unconscious thoughts, desires, etc., those would still fall under "mentality." — Terrapin Station
I don't believe there is any good reason to believe that any nonconscious brain activity amounts to mental phenomena. — Terrapin Station
What label would you apply/assign to unconscious mental activity? — Pattern-chaser
What label would you apply/assign to unconscious mental activity? — Pattern-chaser
Unconscious brain activity you mean? (I wouldn't say that anything is unconscious mental activity)
Why wouldn't "unconscious brain activity" be a good enough label? There are other common labels for some it, though, like "autonomic functions." — Terrapin Station
There are other common labels for some it, though, like "autonomic functions." — Terrapin Station
If there are no good reasons to believe something, I don't believe it. — Terrapin Station
This is nothing about proof. It's just about having reasons to believe something. I don't believe things just randomly. If you like doing that, okay. — Terrapin Station
"It appears that there may be unconscious mental phenomena" sounds like belief, and it sounds like you feel there are good reasons to take that stance rather than the alternative . It sounds like you feel there is something more than mere logical possibility for the "unconscious mind" side. — Terrapin Station
if your evidence isn't conclusive, logic does not permit you to draw a conclusion. — Pattern-chaser
if your evidence isn't conclusive, logic does not permit you to draw a conclusion. — Pattern-chaser
But where did I say anything even remotely resembling that? — Terrapin Station
Are you saying that you have no good reasons to call unconscious phenomena “mental phenomena”, but you are open to it provided compelling evidence to that effect? That’s how I took you. — Noah Te Stroete
There are unconscious brain phenomena, obviously, and good reasons to believe so, but no good reasons for believing that phenomena is more or less just like concepts, etc. — Terrapin Station
For example, it's possible that there is an unconscious mind, and it's possible that there is not. — Terrapin Station
But I don't think it follows from that and the fact that the term "unconscious mind" exists that what "unconscious mind" is supposed to pick out exists. — Terrapin Station
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