Don't tell me how to express my love. — Hanover

Parade away!

You're not a Stoic or a cynic, you're just a guy sitting next to his computer beside a stack of old pizza boxes.

You're not a Stoic or a cynic, you're just a guy sitting next to his computer beside a stack of old pizza boxes. — Hanover

Whatever floats your boat.

Whatever floats your boat. — Wallows

A penny saved is a penny earned.

Hey I'm anyone's for a pizza. Long as it's pepperoni :party:

Now I need pizza pockets... see what you did.

I was thinking of ordering one too, but I'm on this low carb diet right now.

Those are nasty and the center of them is usually 1000 degrees.

But they take 1 minute to make...

Shit is real.

Now time to take my meds.

Joking aside, the helplessness is not just about what awful things happened to you and me but a reflection upon a ground. Getting an angle upon it, as it were.

How can you unlearn learned helplessness? — Wallows

What have you learned?

1. Acting pathetic gets (m)other(s) to run around after me.

2. Doing nothing keeps me safe from failure.

3. Something else, please specify.

1. Acting pathetic gets (m)other(s) to run around after me. — unenlightened

Yes,

2. Doing nothing keeps me safe from failure. — unenlightened

Yes,

3. Something else, please specify. — unenlightened

A craving(?), if you will get better? Perhaps, contentment or satisfaction is appropriate here for the issue. When is coping justified>?

I'm thinking of changing my name to 'Mumenlightened.'

1. is probably true, in which case one cannot unlearn it, but might come to cease wanting it. It's a process that should begin when the infant becomes mobile. One of my daughter's favourite sayings from 1 to 3 yrs was "Let me do it on my rown!" ('rown' is a grammatico-logical mis-construction - You have your-own, I have my-rown.)

So I start to wonder why someone would want to disempower themselves? And so I think of...

2. Failure is dangerous? Well sure it can be sometimes, but another's failure is just as dangerous as my own. It can happen that the same (m)other that one manipulates with helplessness becomes the shaming critic of every move towards independence. Certainly it is some person, some trauma, that has taught that one's own actions are not the realisation of one's being, but the betrayal thereof, and that is what needs to be unlearned. A little courage is required.

I'm glossing over a swath of psychological complexity, not to mention the social helplessness that makes one dependent on a complex system that delivers that pizza to your door, and makes it very difficult for you to make your rown pizza.

3. But my daughter expresses the natural craving for autonomy, even at the price of occasional failure. That confidence has been undermined, but must remain, behind the mask that urges the safety of passivity. And it finds expression - in a philosophy forum? Where one can make mistakes, appear foolish, and yet survive, and also say something interesting and significant - one begins to live.

I'm thinking of changing my name to 'Mumenlightened.' — unenlightened

That would be enlightening.

I'm still churning through your response. Give me some time, and I might be able to address the issue.

A little courage is required. — unenlightened

Or confidence? Which is it?