sometimes they do things that we say are out of character and I think that this is actually an example of freewill. — Jamesk
The problem with your characterisation is that you don't seem to be able to take the first step without intuition, and as soon as intuition has got involved it is no longer free will. — Ciaran
in which case we have to ask, what woke us up? — Ciaran
Any hold it has over us is voluntary, we chose to sleepwalk through life because we are fundamentally lazy. — Jamesk
Yes, so if we 'choose' to sleepwalk through life, we must also 'choose' to stop sleepwalking, yes? — Ciaran
I am trying to prove that we can act freely even if we choose not to most of our lives. — Jamesk
It's the "that" and "is" I'm having trouble with. Replace them both with "could be" and you'll have a fine theory, but trying to prove that they actually are is a lost cause.
5 minutes ago — Ciaran
Your proof, as far as I can see, consists in redefining what it means to "act freely." — SophistiCat
Determinism seems to be proposing a tautology. — Jamesk
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