I don't see how the opinion you express here requires so much denigration. — Valentinus
Theism is the belief in the existence of at least one god. Atheism is its opposite of theism, the lack of belief in the existence of any gods. Deism is a type of theism, the belief in a god who created the universe, but does not intervene in it.
Theology: What is the difference between deism and theism? - Quora
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I expressed my opinion.
Just like you did. — Valentinus
What did I come here for? That is a good question.
I will think about it. — Valentinus
I don't agree with your judgement either.
Oy vey. — Valentinus
This may not be the right forum for you. Bad manners is not the meaning of freedom of speech. You aren't a monster. Just immature.
I came here to share knowledge with others who are here to share knowledge, and I have a huge preference for maturity and civility. I don't think others have a right to tear down the standard that has been set here. — Athena
I am also saying it is possible to have a concept of God that is separate from religion. — Athena
I am saying the God Abraham religions are not compatible with the democracy. — Athena
I agree that religion is poisonous, but I wouldn't use those exact words. Religion is potentially dangerous because it asks you to give up your reason in exchange for faith. Without reason, one loses the ability to live in accordance to reality. — AppLeo
Well yes, everyone must use reason to some degree or else they would be destroying their ability to live. But I don't think being religious and still being able to live in accordance to reality to an extent is an excuse to be religious. — AppLeo
Deism is a type of theism, the belief in a god who created the universe, but does not intervene in it.
So you are agreeing with me. Right? — AppLeo
No objective right or wrong here, or at all? If just in this case then I wonder how you differentiate. — DingoJones
I disagree, I think that any such concept is a) deism which is still theism b) isnt a meaningful definition of god or c) has no meaningful distinction from religion.
Can you explain your concept of god? — DingoJones
The Maccabean Revolt (Hebrew: מרד החשמונאים) was a Jewish rebellion, lasting from 167 to 160 BCE, led by the Maccabees against the Seleucid Empire and the Hellenistic influence on Jewish life.
Maccabean Revolt - Wikipedia
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Well yes, everyone must use reason to some degree or else they would be destroying their ability to live. — AppLeo
Not all reasoning is the same. People read holy books and take it on faith that the books are the best knowledge of life we can have. A few people willing to read the books, question the truth of what is said and look for evidence. That is a completely different level of thinking/reasoning. — Athena
Especially my Christian friends avoid math and science because they just don't want to make the effort of thinking. — Athena
Yes, albeit with the qualification that it's a matter of judgement rather than a matter of fact. I judge it to be inexcusable because of my values, whereas others judge it differently because they have a different set of values. There's not an objective right or wrong here in my view. — S
In my view, ethics and aesthetics are subjective matters. — S
Not all reasoning is the same. People read holy books and take it on faith that the books are the best knowledge of life we can have. A few people willing to read the books, question the truth of what is said and look for evidence. That is a completely different level of thinking/reasoning. — Athena
To think on the higher level requires training for abstract thinking. Unfortunately, that was dropped when we replace liberal education with education for technology. The masses are stuck with thinking on the concrete level and have no awareness of the abstract level of thinking. We lack an understanding of thinking and how our brains work. — Athena
Especially my Christian friends avoid math and science because they just don't want to make the effort of thinking. — Athena
They want authority over them and to be free of responsibility and just obey God's chosen authority over us. — Athena
Democracy is a huge responsibility they don't want. They want the lion king to return and restore paradise for them and they believe Trump is a great father for our country. :lol: Point- do we want democratic responsibility or a Great Father to rule us? We can reason in favor of either, but not of the reasoning will be high order reasoning. — Athena
I would say that is a description “b)”, no meaningful definition of god. You have taken some ideas you had and called it god. Why? Couldnt you avoid alot of confusion by not using the word god?
An unknowable god is not a meaningful definition either. It describes nothing, has no exlanatory power at all, no substance at all that would necessitate the use of the term “god”.
So I still disagree. — DingoJones
You left out the group that read the holy books, looked at their message and their purpose. Thought deeply about them. And find meaning in them, and by faith chose against the other alternatives to believe them.
You point is just the same old tired and complete false belief that dumb people believe and smart people don't
Especially my Christian friends avoid math and science because they just don't want to make the effort of thinking.
— Athena
This is just patently false, and insulting. Take out the word "christian" and put in any other group and see how it reads.
as is the rest of the paragraph - it is pure bigotry — Rank Amateur
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