Im not sure how to respond to any of that. Im glad that my questions amuse you, but you didnt really address anything I said.
You arent really offering anything of substance, the words are just empty assertions. You could replace “god” with any gibberish word and lose nothing from your statements.
Also, did you just state with pride that you were banned for being frustrating? That doesnt sound like a good thing. — DingoJones
Yes, but living things depend on facts to survive. — AppLeo
Why?
How is it not wrong to accept a truth without evidence? I understand that people judge things different because of different values, but it doesn't make their judgments correct. — AppLeo
Aesthetics is subjective, sure. But ethics? I disagree. — AppLeo
There is an objective morality. The standard of value that all individuals have is their own lives. Life is the most important value. Which means that everything that propels an individual's life forward is moral, and everything that doesn't is immoral. Reason, which is fundamental to the survival of your life, must be an objective moral value. It cannot be subjective. — AppLeo
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We derive order from our own understanding of the universe. The universe is independent of order. What would be a disordered universe? By saying the universe has order, it's implying that a creator created the universe. The universe wasn't created. — AppLeo
What about them isn't factual? — AppLeo
How? — AppLeo
So life isn't the most important value? And reason isn't mandatory to furthering one's life? — AppLeo
I understand what you meant by subjective. I asked because you seemed to be making a distinction between some morals and the morals being discussed ”...here...” and I was curious about how you made that distinction. It appears you do not. — DingoJones
Im not sure how to respond to any of that. Im glad that my questions amuse you, but you didnt really address anything I said.
You arent really offering anything of substance, the words are just empty assertions. You could replace “god” with any gibberish word and lose nothing from your statements.
Also, did you just state with pride that you were banned for being frustrating? That doesnt sound like a good thing. — DingoJones
Historically speaking, religion can be seen to be the most effective cause of human unity. — Reverie of Renaissance
Religions soak up the moral fiber of a culture, and is the medium through which people choose to subscribe to said religion. — Reverie of Renaissance
Religion poisons everything?! — OP
Im not convinced as of yet that Athena is lacking in substance and logic, the succinctness I agree on though. She said she gets excited, and she seems to be operating from a fairly idiosyncratic basis...im trying to figure it out but Im not sure its a suspension of reason or anything like that. — DingoJones
We can take out the word "Christian" and put in the words, Hindu, Buddist, Jew, Muslim, Taoist. Are you as willing to honor these people as you want us to honor Christians, or does the term bigot apply only when speaking of non-believers and Christians? — Athena
s. However, a problem comes up when they are arguing with an atheist who may have a math and science foundation of knowledge because their foundation of knowledge is so different. — Athena
You know there are Christians who avoid math and science because they don't want to put the effort into learning math and science, so your logic that what I said is false has to be an emotional response not your reasoned response. In general, people avoid learning math and science, even professors. This becomes a problem when people who have at least some understanding of math and science are arguing with those who do not. Their argument cannot be based in logical because they are not working with the same foundation of knowledge. — Athena
So mysticism and death can be considered good things by some people because there is no objective right and wrong. That's my understanding. — AppLeo
Mysticism and death is bad. I don't understand how they are good things. They are objectively bad. — AppLeo
Because life is good if you want to live. That's just a fact. How do you live life if you don't your life? And why would anyone not want to value their life? Makes no sense. — AppLeo
Mysticism is objectively bad because it's the acceptance of something as truth without evidence or proof. — AppLeo
It's also a fact that people value things that are not normally considered "good." For example, there are thousands of nuclear weapons in the world, so they must be valued in some way, but few people would say they are good things. Less dramatically, people who smoke, drink, and have a poor diet typically value their lives, yet they continue to consume these things regardless of how they negatively impact their health. — praxis
That's not what mysticism is. Please consult a dictionary. — praxis
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