...personhood... — Rank Amateur
I and biology believe we are all fully human, fully unique and fully alive human beings after the process of conception is complete — Rank Amateur
I and biology believe we are all fully human, fully unique and fully alive human beings after the process of conception is complete
— Rank Amateur
Self-serving, disingenuous twaddle. But if you like, we can move on to persons, and leave this crap behind. — Banno
↪Rank Amateur OK. Thanks.
Then I will say that being a person involves sentience, emotion, affection, physical health, and appetite and rationality. A woman is capable of all of these. A cyst, of none. — Banno
Further, a blastocyst can only achieve personhood by inflicting its demands on a woman. — Banno
Pity, and you had so much to respond to. If not wasting it in discourse with me, I assume you will put it to good use.We are done. — Rank Amateur
And neither does a 3 month old... — Rank Amateur
The pro life argument back is there is implied consent to the use of her body when having sex. — Rank Amateur
And pure fact — Rank Amateur
That's an extraordinary suggestion. "the use of her body", as if a woman must be passive during sex. How boring! How misogynistic. — Banno
Baby’s use of her body. — Rank Amateur
And as a whole - that in having sex the woman (but not the man?) is consenting to carrying any resulting conception to full term. Sex is for procreation only - where does that idea come from? I think the invisible friends have been whispering in your ear again. — Banno
if you leave a fetus alone it becomes... — Rank Amateur
I don't think that killing is obviously wrong.
— Andrew4Handel
Well if we all make ourselves Godless self-appointed gods about the matter then I think that will be problematic for wider society. — AJJ
Perhaps in this media, we can keep the question more true to the biological aspects and philosophical aspects of the subject. — EpicTyrant
Why is this considered moral by human standards and not frowned upon? What is the difference between ending a premature state of life other than a fully developed one. Is it the lack of perceptive of reality and consciousness of the premature state of lifeform that makes it more bearable to perform an abortion for the carrier? Because the only thing that separates the premature life form from a fully developed one, is the passing of time. — EpicTyrant
Really?! And what exactly do you understand this "possession" to entail, or mean? What is it that is possessed?One is in possession of one’s biological future whether or not one is aware of it or not. — Rank Amateur
What is it that bestows a special status on this "zygote" that at the same time deprives sperm or egg of that same status?After the process of conception is completed there exists a new zygote cell. — Rank Amateur
What does this mean??? What is a future value? Think it through: hint, look at the word "is." The notion of "future value" comes from finance, and of it at least one thing is true: never ever not ever do you "possess" a future value. What you have is a present assessment - maybe. Further, the FV of, for example, of a stream of payments is estimated within an extremely narrow set of probabilities over a an extremely narrow set of possibilities - which considerations have precisely nothing - zero - to do with estimating the so-called FOV of a life.One is possession of one's future of value — Rank Amateur
When I am killed, I am deprived both of what I now value which would have been part of my future personal life, but also what I would come to value. Therefore, when I die, I am deprived of all of the value of my future. Inflicting this loss on me is ultimately what makes killing me wrong. This being the case, it would seem that what makes killing any adult human being prima facie seriously wrong is the loss of his other future. — Rank Amateur
Really?! And what exactly do you understand this "possession" to entail, or mean? What is it that is possessed? — tim wood
What is it that bestows a special status on this "zygote" that at the same time deprives sperm or egg of that same status? — tim wood
What does this mean??? What is a future value? Think it through: hint, look at the word "is." The notion of "future value" comes from finance, and of it at least one thing is true: never ever not ever do you "possess" a future value. What you have is a present assessment - maybe. Further, the FV of, for example, of a stream of payments is estimated within an extremely narrow set of probabilities over a an extremely narrow set of possibilities - which considerations have precisely nothing - zero - to do with estimating the so-called FOV of a life. — tim wood
From the Marquis paper:
The analysis assumes that killing me (or you, reader) is prima facie seriously wrong. The point
of the analysis is to establish which natural property ultimately explains the wrongness of the killing,given that it is wrong. I'm sorry to ask, but do you understand what is going on in this kind of ann argument? Preaching to the choir is one name.
It's time to construct and own your own arguments. These from Don Marquis aren't worthy. — tim wood
Implicit in Marquis's argument is that when the victim's death is, then the victim is too. I, myself, would argue that nothing hurts a dead person. In fact it is one of the appeals of death to the old - and sometimes not so old - that when death is, they are no longer. Someone with Marquis's background knows this quote perfectly well. If his argument was intended to be substantive, he would have had to deal with it. — tim wood
I take the view that destroying innocent human life because we find it convenient to do so is wrong. If that lacks nuance then so be it. — AJJ
I and biology believe we are all fully human, — Rank Amateur
I take the view that destroying innocent human life because we find it convenient to do so is wrong. If that lacks nuance then so be it.
— AJJ
Well this doesn't apply to abortion. — Andrew4Handel
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