1 Does our universe owe its form to the properties that were inherent in the ‘primeval atom’? — Jacob-B
2. Could there have been other ‘inputs’ post the Big Bang and unconnected to it that shaped the
universe? — Jacob-B
This morning I decided to drink a cup of tea with my breakfast, it was departing from my habit of drinking coffee. It seems to me that I arrived at this momentous decision freely being under no duress whatsoever to do so, I even had a rationale for that decision having read somewhere about the health benefits of drinking tea. However, that is not the way a determinist would look at my decision — Jacob-B
. The cat is either alive or dead, there is no certainty, no hard determinism, no omnipresent observer making all things certain and predetermined. — Josh Alfred
I've always questioned why the cat isn't dead or alive just because we don't know if it is. Just because we don't know a true/false value doesn't mean one doesn't exist. We have no evidence that the universe doesn't exist without an observer. I think that in our mind the variable is unknown, but there is a correct answer, us knowing it or not doesn't change that. — TogetherTurtle
I think since probability exists hard determinism is incorrect. Current physics uses the Schrodinger cat experiment to make this apparent. The cat is either alive or dead, there is no certainty, no hard determinism, no omnipresent observer making all things certain and predetermined. This of course is just theory too. — Josh Alfred
According to hard determinism, the universe as it is, down to its most minute and trivial events (like my decision to drink tea rather than coffee) is the result - and the ONLY possible result - of an inevitable chain of a causational event originating at the Big Bang. To my thinking, that implies that somehow the shape of our universe with all its incredible complexity was inherent in the structure of the infinitesimal small sized primaeval atom. — Jacob-B
That, in turn, implies some sort of DNA- like plan. That, in turn, makes hard determinism uncomfortably resembles ‘creationism’. If the shape of our universe was indeed inherent in the primaeval atom, the determinists need to provide a physics theory of supporting that assumption. — Jacob-B
I tend to think that the causal chain of the primaeval atom did break down at a certain level of complexity and was replaced by a not strictly causal evolutionary process that doesn't rule out Free Will. — Jacob-B
You may think that, but there is no evidence for it. And when we talk about the physical reality, evidence is all that ultimately matters. Schrödinger's Cat is a thought experiment, but there have been plenty of experiments that all confirm the notion. Including experiments that specifically tested whether you can trick photons to reveal the hidden variable that determines their state, but you can't. Either the universe looks into the future and sabotages our attempts to find this hidden truth by telling the particles to act differently, or it really is a probability distribution. — Echarmion
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