I don't know about this site, but when a pregnant woman walks in and all the seats are taken do you get up to give the pregnant woman your seat? Men can't get pregnant so...?So how should women be treated differently? On this site too? — unenlightened
Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary, but it does not seem to me from what I have read so far, that this sort of gender neutrality in education has resulted in much trauma or confusion about gender identity. Whereas, the politicised gender war taking place in America does seem more poisonous. To be specific, I would suggest that the conflict exemplified in the links above puts pressure onto children to conform to or else to rebel against gender stereotypes that may result in an increase in identification as transgender and so on. — unenlightened
I don't know about this site, but when a pregnant woman walks in and all the seats are taken do you get up to give the pregnant woman your seat? Men can't get pregnant so...? — Harry Hindu
I guess statistics doesn’t mean much to you. — TheMadFool
They're not, they're making policy for psychological practice, i.e. for psychologists, which is what they're supposed to do. Why can't you let them have their cake and you eat yours? Why the defensiveness? — Baden
So, if the fears that gender-neutral schools are a damagingly disruptive form of socialization that perverts our children's genetically programmed understanding of sex differences are wrong, and this form of education merely serves to undermine socialized stereotypes that are a hangover from a less enlightened past, should we not all get on board? — Baden
Why wage this culture war? What do you expect to gain other than polarization? Can you not just let the stupid be stupid? You'll be afforded ample opportunity to smugly declare their stupidity if that's what you need. They're not listening to you anyway. — Hanover
Are you saying rather than change things for the better, we should do the stupid thing because the stupid people won't listen to us anyway? Seems you sorely lack the—how you say?—American can-do attitude. :victory: — Baden
Beyond this specific argument, in any case, looms the issue of how culture, even namby-pamby culture, imprints sexual identity and where do we go to get an objective a view as possible on what's desirable in that field? The psychologist? The biologist? The philosopher? — Baden
You seem very open to the idea that public education ought to be in charge of enforcing government ideology and morality, and I have a bit more of a problem with that. — Hanover
Let's leave to the Baden household how to raise his rugrats and the Hanover house how to raise his. — Hanover
You seem very open to the idea that public education ought to be in charge of enforcing government ideology and morality, and I have a bit more of a problem with that. — Hanover
I would suggest that gender neutrality as described is rather refraining from imposing an ideology of what character is appropriate to each sex. — unenlightened
But is it not also possible to discuss together why you each think your way is the best? — unenlightened
They who claim to be gender neutral are probably lying, quite possibly to themselves as well as to others. — Bitter Crank
If we're sling-shotting back to our kids a diseased sense of relative sexual identity based on mostly post-pubescent sex differences in a blind self-fulfilling way then something should change. If we've got it right, then it shouldn't. How do we tell the difference? You tell me. — Baden
Do people claim to be gender neutral?They who claim to be gender neutral are probably lying, quite possibly to themselves as well as to others. — Bitter Crank
on what empirical or philosophical plinth do we stand — Baden
Oh no they're not! — unenlightened
All it's really doing is decoupling the idea certain behaviours or preferences are the exclusive nature of one gender or another. — TheWillowOfDarkness
apart from avoiding essentialist associations between a gender and some sort of preference or behaviour... — TheWillowOfDarkness
There aren't really any stereotypes though, just people being themselves (or not, as the case might sometimes be — TheWillowOfDarkness
I'd love to see you address the first question in my post. That is a legitimate question, no? — Harry Hindu
I'm not personally an advocate of gender-neutral schools as yet, but I'm curious about the effects and open to being convinced, and I definitely don't find them as frightening an idea as some do. — Baden
The below is my focus which basically amounts to asking on what empirical or philosophical plinth do we stand in order to determine where education policy should go?
If we're sling-shotting back to our kids a diseased sense of relative sexual identity based on mostly post-pubescent sex differences in a blind self-fulfilling way then something should change. If we've got it right, then it shouldn't. How do we tell the difference? You tell me.
— Baden — Baden
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