and the evidence that you are not just on a different hay ride is ??? — Rank Amateur
Please keep in mind I am by no means at all anti-God or an atheist or even agnostic. I simply reject the particular efforts of foolish people who try with foolish premises and foolish arguments to prove what cannot be proved, and if it were proved, would be without significance i.e. the material existence of God — tim wood
Please keep in mind I am by no means at all anti-God or an atheist or even agnostic. I simply reject the particular efforts of foolish people who try with foolish premises and foolish arguments to prove what cannot be proved, and if it were proved, would be without significance i.e. the material existence of God. — tim wood
If God exists and revealed Himself to all humanity, because he is our creator, we would recognized him instantly. He has not done so, so, there is no proof that God exists.
My answer to your question is, MAN can not prove God exists, only God Himself can do that. — StaggeringBlow
But we have to have a definition of the term God before we can do any reasoning: — Devans99
The only rule here is that whatever you wish to attribute to God must be derived from his existence only. — tim wood
- takes the pressure off life a bit if there is some kind of afterlife (could also be seen as a negative thing)
- helps with finding value in suffering - good for mental health in adversity
- good for mental health to believe that one's innermost centre is indestructible
- helpful in cultivating a sense of oneness with the natural world
- helpful in developing creatively to believe in an inner spontaneous source of newness, and the imperative to create and express
- helpful to believe that death is not the ultimate evil - avoidance of death can result in inauthentic living
- helps in understanding the world as panpsychic — bert1
Just for the heck of it, what properties does an apple have?Those qualities are what makes it an apple. In fact, I bet anyone of us would have major difficulties imagining an apple without imagining any of its properties, — purple-reindeer
Just for the heck of it, what properties does an apple have? — tim wood
These, for instance.Whenever I imagine an apple, I see something red, fairly round, delicious, etc. — purple-reindeer
Whenever I imagine an apple, I see something red, fairly round, delicious, etc.
— purple-reindeer
These, for instance. — purple-reindeer
All this says is that you did not understand the question even a little bit. Let's try again - because it matters.I did think about it before answering, it is just that I don't believe that there is any difference between an "imagined" apple with all the properties that a "real" apple has (except for one, that one being empirical detectability) and a "real" apple. — purple-reindeer
As it happens, I agree with this - and it is why you're not understanding the question.Those qualities are what makes it an apple. In fact, I bet anyone of us would have major difficulties imagining an apple without imagining any of its properties, — purple-reindeer
All this says is that you did not understand the question even a little bit. — tim wood
So what you're saying is you're content with the properties I proposed for an apple - an imaginary apple opposed to a "real" apple that is - but when I argue that a real apple is the same as an imaginary apple when it comes to their overall propertiesFor an imagined apple! The question is, what properties do you say an apple has. It is not a trick question, but you may care to read it carefully and think about it before answering. — tim wood
suddenly you don't approve of the properties?I did think about it before answering, it is just that I don't believe that there is any difference between an "imagined" apple with all the properties that a "real" apple has (except for one, that one being empirical detectability) and a "real" apple. — purple-reindeer
The idea of this thread is to grant for argument's sake that god exists - undefined. Necessarily undefined. The question, then, is what of it? Not what might be of it, but what, exactly, of it. Or another way: for understanding's sake, what does existence add to the idea of God? (The existence of God may very well subtract from ideas of God; here we're asking what it adds.)↪tim woodSorry but when you say ''God exists, so what?'' what do you mean by ''God''? — TheMadFool
But first let us satisfy ourselves that the parish-pump idea of the necessity (or even the desirability) of a real existing God can be dispensed with as the immature wishfull thinking that it is. — tim wood
Perhaps you can show how your definition is of something. But then it wouldn't be a definition, would it? It would be an observation. You can define anything you like in any way you like. But then what makes it real and existent? How do you demonstrate that your definition corresponds to a something?But you won't let me talk about it because I am not allowed a definition of 'God', — bert1
Perhaps you can show how your definition is of something. — tim wood
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