how did the Dems get from the Secure Fence Act accompanied by strong anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric, to the present stance of abolishing ICE and having open borders? — fishfry
I believe the worst the right says about the left... — fishfry
and the worst the left says about the right. — fishfry
No that is not my argument. That's a strawman. — fishfry
The point is that the Dems' current rhetoric is seriously out of alignment with their rhetoric from when they ran the government. — fishfry
You do know that Obama deported more Mexicans than Bush did, right? — fishfry
I object to the hypocrisy from the Dems on this issue. The Dems WERE in favor of STRONG border security before Trump showed up. Are you claiming to be unaware of that? — fishfry
Great, someone who knows. What is the problem at the Southern Border? — tim wood
In general, the only immigration restrictions I'd have, anywhere in the world, would be that I'm okay with screening for wanted criminals or people with significant associations with known terrorists. — Terrapin Station
What is the problem at the Southern Border? — tim wood
Far easier to declare victory on fictional problems, or more precisely, delusional solutions (as if a wall will solve things) than to create real solutions to real problems. Like Trump's first national emergency, to tackle the opioid crisis. So, how things have gone after that declaration?It's a "problem" which has no solution. It has no solution because the exact nature of "the problem" cannot even be formulated in a universally acceptable way. So "the problem" itself is a phantom problem. — Metaphysician Undercover
But the point is that the goal of the proposal is not to "prevent [illegal] immigration", it is rather to raise the costs associated with it
I could do the wall over a longer period of time, I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster. And I don't have to do it for the election; I've already done a lot of wall for the election 2020. And the only reason we're up here talking about this is because of the election, because they want to try and win an election which it looks like they're not going to be able to do.
And this is one of the ways they think they can possibly win is by obstruction and a lot of other nonsense. And I think that I just want to get it done faster, that's all.
What aspects of Trump’s wall could work? Could it really prevent immigration? — Franklin
How many human beings do we want living in America? — Jake
No one is asking that outside the right wing because it's a ridiculous question. — MindForged
How many human beings do we want living in America? — Jake
No one is asking that outside the right wing because it's a ridiculous question.
There are some challenges involved in "more the merrier". As example, here in Florida, where the population has exploded in recent decades. Most of the roads (especially along the coasts) have already been widened as much as they can be without knocking down trillions of dollars worth of existing structures
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.