pbxman         
         You're nothing! You're nobody! You're a stupid dream. — Total Recall 1990
pbxman         
         When my love swears that she is made of truth, I do believe her, though I know she lies
sime         
         If you could remove your identity or your past how could you know that you chose to do that in the past if that past and that choice could potentially be faked? — pbxman
pbxman         
         Suppose I'm a hypothetical murderer. I know that I have killed somebody and I decide to use a new technology that removes memories and personality traits. I get a new identity and years later the police charges me with murder. The police only shows as prove a videotape which could have been done in a studio and I feel like I have been framed with murder.
sime         
         How can I define myself if reality can be faked? — pbxman
Terrapin Station         
         
Nils Loc         
         you'd never know with certainty, but that's a truism about empirical claims period. — Terrapin Station
Terrapin Station         
         Are there non-empirical claims we can know for certain by way of proofs that do not rely on empirical claims? — Nils Loc
Avro         
         
andrewk         
         
pbxman         
         
sime         
         Are there non-empirical claims we can know for certain by way of proofs that do not rely on empirical claims?
— Nils Loc
Yes, all mathematical and logical proofs are an example. — Terrapin Station
andrewk         
         
pbxman         
         That movie has references to the real spiritual concept underlying such us the "EGO TRIP". The trip of the self. Some religions believe our existence is one. Then again you face the paradox. How can I know that I made the choice to forget my identity when reality can be faked?QUAID
I just has a terrible thought...What
is this is all a dream?
MELINA
Then kiss me quick...before you wake
up.
A man is defined by his actions, not his memories — Kuato
Terrapin Station         
         Don't we ultimately define the correctness of a proof by it's agreement with consensual opinion or with the output of an implemented computer program? — sime
Terrapin Station         
         
sime         
         XIf you could remove your identity or your past how could you know that you chose to do that in the past if that past and that choice could potentially be faked? — pbxman
Avro         
         
pbxman         
         Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. — Albert Einstein
pbxman         
         
Avro         
         
pbxman         
         
Terrapin Station         
         If we neglect the concept of time as a medium and instead directly define a position in time in terms of the phenomena associated with it, then what are the resulting implications for the interpretation of false memories?
It seems to me that if one accepts this conceptual deflation of time in terms of phenomena, that a false memory would only be false in terms of convention.. For the time referred to by a memory would then be identical to the memory content, say the memory-image. Therefore to say that the memory was 'false' would be equivalent to saying that the position in time previously associated with this memory-image was to be redefined in terms of a different memory-image. — sime
Avro         
         
Paul         
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