Let's not forget that if weapons are illegal it's fair to shoot whoever is carring a gun on sight. It makes targetting the bad guys a hell of a lot easier. — Emmanuele
And how does that prevent the police from targeting people wielding these guns? — Echarmion
You seem to be hinting at some sort of ratio being low. What ratio do you have in mind? There is no obvious ratio that makes sense, given the above sentence. — andrewk
So who is going to shoot them if no one else is carrying a gun? And please don't answer the cops, because everyone knows there are hundreds of illegal guns for each cop. — Sir2u
And how does that prevent the police from targeting people wielding these guns? — Echarmion
It does not stop them at all, it just makes them ineffectual.
You must have noticed that they rarely get there before the crime has been committed, that is why the tape they use says "crime scene" instead of "crime prevention scene". — Sir2u
Let's not forget that if weapons are illegal it's fair to shoot whoever is carring a gun on sight. It makes targetting the bad guys a hell of a lot easier.
— Emmanuele
So who is going to shoot them if no one else is carrying a gun? And please don't answer the cops, because everyone knows there are hundreds of illegal guns for each cop. — Sir2u
They need to be dealt with by the appropriate authorities using appropriate force. It's unreasonable to jump straight into assuming that they need to be shot. Jesus Christ. Not only is that an unreasonable assumption, it's a harmful assumption.
That kind of answer would surely fail a police exam. Or if not, say, in somewhere insane like Texas, then it should do. — S
To what ratio were you referring with your use of 'rarely'? — andrewk
You must have noticed that they rarely get there before the crime has been committed, — Sir2u
Just compare societies with low gun control and societies with high gun control - And then compare that to the statistics of best places to live in the world.
Is there a point to discussing when there's data that point to the truth? — Christoffer
I really don't see a problem with finding out what to do. — Christoffer
You're right in that it's harder to enforce the laws, but that's dependent on how the fundamental mentality of the people is. The solution will be, in places like the US, to either force people to follow the rules, or accept that the risk of mass shootings, school shootings, high violent crime and individual isolation out of fear of strangers is the norm. You either enforce laws or you don't, it depends on what the people want in a democracy. — Christoffer
Unfortunately, common people don't have the tools to understand this on their own, but you can still not force laws beyond the democratic process. So the only thing that I can see is positive is to educate, to provide the information about this to the people so that they, after a while, stop defending their personal preferences in order to increase the quality of life within their nation. — Christoffer
Only at the right time can politicians enforce more strict gun laws without enraging half the country. — Christoffer
Don't put the common people down, a lot of us do understand the information. — Sir2u
How long do you estimate until that happens? — Sir2u
Common people do not discuss these issues on a philosophy forum or try to figure out the truth about the world and existence. They want to drink Starbucks coffee and enjoy some evening entertainment or sport on TV. I'm not criticizing this (although I think people should care a bit more about truth), I'm only stating the facts of how the world is. — Christoffer
Just see how many get excited at a party if you start talking philosophy. This is not what most common people have an interest in. Which also means that they don't have the tools to understand the issues and are easily persuaded by lobbyist and smart political rhetoric. — Christoffer
It's actually us, philosophers and people who've been putting a lot of effort and thought into the issues of this world, — Christoffer
who will be the ones educating other people on these issues. Why do you think that philosophers have been gaining popularity as a hired consultant in many workplaces? — Christoffer
That's a bit of a naive question. — Christoffer
It's time when it's time when people want it. Just look at how people have started waking up to the facts because of all the rapports of mass shootings. Or it can go in the other direction. For US, I think the problem is fundamental in US history and culture, so I don't think it's gonna happen anywhere but the most progressive states.
It starts with the people. If you want a solution, figure out how you can convince one single gun owner to give up their guns for the greater good. If you can't convince a single one, you won't be able to push a whole nation. — Christoffer
They don't need to. Where I live gun ownership is very rare and the gun crime rate is very low - partly because we have strong gun control laws, that have overwhelming public support.Do police where you live actually stop people and search them for weapons without a valid reason? — Sir2u
I know what 'rarely' means, and you know that I know it and that that has nothing to do with what I asked you.Rarely means not often, seldom, infrequently, it is rarely used in any other sense so I see no reason to be providing a definition of it. — Sir2u
You must have noticed that [the police] rarely get there before the crime has been committed, that is why the tape they use says "crime scene" instead of "crime prevention scene". — Sir2u
I think you should have addressed you reply to Emmanuele as he is the one that said it would be easier to shoot whoever was carrying a gun.
And in case you did not notice, I have not agreed with him on the idea. — Sir2u
As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. — Sir2u
You must have a very wide social circle to be able to make this claim. — Sir2u
And the funny thing is that I doubt that you have figured out the truth about the world and existence but here you are talking about gun control. Without providing a solution. — Sir2u
Is gun control a philosophical topic? That sounds really weird to me. I thought it was a social problem that we were discussing possible solutions to. Exactly how does it qualify as a philosophical topic? — Sir2u
Just because people do not want to talk about philosophy at a party in no way proves that they don't have the tools to understand the issues. — Sir2u
Who is this "us"? I don't and I am reasonably sure that the majority of posters here do not consider themselves to be philosophers. I spend most of my time trying to sort out my own problems and have spent a minimum of time and effort on the issues of the world. What have you done to solve the problems of hunger in Africa, child labor in Indonesia or slave traders in Europe? — Sir2u
Before you can teach, you have to know. Which is the top of the list for jobs available for people with a philosophy degree. I have not been able to find any information about how many philosophers are actually hired as consultants but there does not seem to be much of a need for philosophy graduates in that area.
If you can please post a link to the information about that I would be thankful. — Sir2u
How can a question be naive? The person asking it maybe, although not in this case, but the question cannot be naive. — Sir2u
So basically you, a self proclaimed philosopher, has no solution to the problem that has not already been discussed on this thread. All of the tools you say you have are just as useless as the ones the coffee drinking common people have. — Sir2u
But there is probably one thing that the common people have that you don't, a better understanding of how things affect them. Sitting high on a mountain looking at you belly button might make you a better philosopher, but until you get down in the streets you will not understand the problems you are trying to solve. — Sir2u
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