This is where my own personal experiences come into play. When I was contemplating suicide in the past, I would almost always conceive of how great non-existence seemed to be. No stress, no burdens, no deadlines, no concerns, no pain, no boredom, tediousness, shame, or horror. Non-existence seemed calm and peaceful, like an infinitely long relaxing vacation. — darthbarracuda
"Best interests" is always about preferences, and preferences are always individual (even when a bunch of individuals have the same preferences). "maximization of personal good, like pleasure, happiness, eudaimonia" is a personal preference.Is suicide ever rational? By rational, I mean in the best-interests of the individual, as most philosophers tend to agree on. But this is ambiguous - what are the best-interests of a person? Surely it can't just be the preferences of a person, or the heroin addict would be acting in their own best-interests. It seem to me that the most basic definition of best-interests would be the maximization of personal good, like pleasure, happiness, eudaimonia. — darthbarracuda
Re whether it's ethical, I don't personally see suicide as an ethical issue, pro or con. I wouldn't say that it's ethical or unethical. — Terrapin Station
5 people I've been very close to have clearly committed suicide. — Terrapin Station
Still think that would be not unethical? — Barry Etheridge
I find that very strange position which is really only tenable if the act of suicide literally affects nobody which I would venture to suggest is never the case. The suicide of someone we know, even at a distance, is one of the most devastating psychological traumas possible. Add to that the burden on those responsible for finding the body, breaking the news, tying up the many loose ends (suicides rarely set their affairs in order beforehand), and it is simply impossible to see suicide as anything other than the most supremely selfish act possible, indiscriminately targeting others for incalculable injury. — Barry Etheridge
There seems almost an injustice. The suicide act itself was trying to be some sort of romantic gesture of rebellion against life's pain. The fact that this ability to control one's fate was taken away, even if the same result occurred, seems to make a difference. — schopenhauer1
Obviously I'm not expecting an answer to each question, those are just examples to illustrate that people can suffer psychological damage from all sorts of things, — zookeeper
I'm actually fine with laws against it, ceteris paribus re the current status quo, as the utility of those laws is that it makes it easier for folks to get help even if they can't afford it.As with any law or ethical code identifying it as a sin/crime does not actually stop anybody doing it nor does it necessarily preclude that so doing can be justified. — Barry Etheridge
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