I've had this chat with Fooloso in other forums and it's important to realise that it occurs from both sides but only because people wrongly believe it doesn't. Acting as though the extreme left is benign is absolutely ridiculous, do you perhaps know nothing about history at all? Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to the present either. — Judaka
If such a thing was your intent it was well veiled... I sadly don't think enough see your views as absurd and that encourages me to think you were serious. I no longer know if you were serious or not but if you weren't then I apologise, if you were then there's that's that. — Judaka
So you were being serious, you're a moron. If you came here telling me the extreme right are just "chaps who care about their ethnic identity" I would have lambasted you the same way I did when you came and talked about the modern extreme left like they're no big deal. So don't talk to me like I'm some kind of extreme right apologist because I point out you have an extremely imbalanced perspective. — Judaka
What's your stake in all this anyway? — Judaka
I don't remember Fooloso as being a conspiracy theorist, he had appeared to me to be just saying that it existed on both sides when I previously read him using the same examples in the same topic. Perhaps he agrees with you that the modern extreme left is benign? Doesn't seem like he said that though and it wouldn't matter if he did. — Judaka
I figured when you brought in the history of the extreme left to the discussion on political correctness, you had in mind figures like Stalin and Mao and Trotsky or the Naxalites or whatever. I saw this as a red herring, as even the supposed left which is besties with political correctness isn't Stalinist or Maoist or Trotskyist and the last one's too busy painting towns red with police blood to care about whether we say black or brown. If you look at the supposed characteristics of people who love political correctness, you'll find they're white working-middle class liberal weenies. — fdrake
It's just like debate over 'cultural marxism', not much to do with actual marxists, the few there are. It doesn't have much to do with reality. Like, well, the talk about the sinister "nationalists" taking over Europe. Yeah sure, nazis everywhere.I'm interested in asking the further question; who benefits from the function of political correctness in public discourse? Is it the people who intentionally co-opted it as part of a rhetoric of scaremongering exaggeration, or is it the target of that rhetoric? The answer's pretty clear to me, given that it's the same rhetorical structure that's rooted in the initial cooption of the term. — fdrake
A person who actually seeks to achieve things such as respect and tolerance will not be telling people to not say anything that somebody may consider offensive. He will allow people to say exactly what they are feeling and thinking, however offensive these things may be. — Ilya B Shambat
Rule of thumb: — fdrake
The proponents of political correctness like to portray anyone who takes objection to political correctness as a bigot or a neanderthal. Any expression containing even a hint of anger brings on that response. I am responding now to political correctness in a manner that is fully reasoned and that cannot be portrayed credibly as any such thing. — Ilya B Shambat
One person's political correctness is another's basic good manners.
You will need to be more specific about what form of political correctness you object to - giving examples - if a useful discussion is to occur. — andrewk
That's a great post, thank you. — fdrake
Fooloso4's post - a catalog of American liberal grievances with a tenuous relationship to the OP - was a careless copy-paste job from various online articles. I am pretty sure that not a word of it is original. — SophistiCat
The irony here is that I actually read the article and quoted relevant points. You on the other hand seem not to have read the Wiki article you linked to. If you had you would know that the history of the term is not one of simply mockery and derision. — Fooloso4
[ Re Fooloso4's post] a catalog of American liberal grievances with a tenuous relationship to the OP - was a careless copy-paste job from various online articles. I am pretty sure that not a word of it is original. — SophistiCat
Yes, online articles that were linked and referenced. I originally posted this on another forum but when I reposted it here the quote function did not copy. The spacing and ellipsis show parts of the articles that are missing. — Fooloso4
In fact, in a private message to someone I said: " It really is nothing more than what a few minutes of online research will yield." I just edited the post to make clear that I was quoting — Fooloso4
↪Fooloso4 Apologies, I mistook carelessness for plagiarism. — SophistiCat
It would be good if you could post the link to the PN forum discussion if possible.
A comparison might be interesting. — Amity
In fact, in a private message to someone I said: " It really is nothing more than what a few minutes of online research will yield."
— Fooloso4
And I hope the someone replied that it was a bit more than that ! — Amity
The same people who call themselves feminists have been abetting the most viciously misogynistic ideology on the planet – Jihadist Islam. The same people who call themselves feminists have been excusing inner city thugs in their crimes against women. Of course they do not see the outcome of their policies; however the people who fund them and vote for them do. — Ilya B Shambat
I think the underlying problem is much more the polarization of the political discourse and the lack of even trying to engage the other side. This creates the current toxic environment — ssu
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