I think etiquette is a safeguard against people who are too stupid to get along. Like how you are not supposed to talk about religion and politics. Its because people are too stupid to be trusted to have those conversations...even though they are two of the main things people SHOULD be talking about. — DingoJones
Lol, sometimes thats what people need. Slap the PC right outta them. — DingoJones
Fuck etiquette. — S
I think etiquette is a safeguard against people who are too stupid to get along. — DingoJones
This misses the bigger picture. It is not about etiquette, although etiquette is certainly a part of it.
It is about social norms, which include but are not limited to behavior. They include values, allegiances, and our relations to others. In short, how are we going to live together?
We live in a time in which social norms have broken down. We are in the process of making repairs. PC is one means by which we are doing this. The extremes, which tend to get the most attention, do not tell the story. What deserves our attention is not the extreme answers but the question they attempt to answer: what should our social norms be? — Fooloso4
Sure, etiquette is only part of it. I never said that it's the whole story, did I? — S
In answer to the question of how we're going to live together, I would say preferably without so much politically correct bullshit. — S
Breaking down social norms must be a bad thing? — S
Repairing them must be a good thing? — S
Political correctness is the right way of doing this? — S
Social norms aren't the be-all and end-all. — S
I'll do what I have to get by, but I'm not going to just pander to the status quo. — S
A lot of PC people think of it like this about the struggle part. It's a power play: you exert power by getting people to adapt your discourse or ideas by arguing that they are otherwise against minorities etc.One of the points I am trying to make is that there is no status quo, only a struggle over what will become the status quo. — Fooloso4
Sure, etiquette is only part of it. I never said that it's the whole story, did I?
— S
It is not about you. You expressed a common sentiment. — Fooloso4
In answer to the question of how we're going to live together, I would say preferably without so much politically correct bullshit.
— S
What alternative do you favor? — Fooloso4
No. The problem is living without them may be. I do not have high hopes for everybody trying to figure it out for himself. — Fooloso4
I think so but I also think that it is an inevitable thing. People figure out how to live together. Just what that might look like is anyone's guess. — Fooloso4
No, as I said, it is a symptom. — Fooloso4
It should be pointed out that we are not at the point where social norms no longer exist. — Fooloso4
That they will be is also in question. — Fooloso4
As to whether we can do away with them, I don't think so. — Fooloso4
One of the points I am trying to make is that there is no status quo, only a struggle over what will become the status quo. And in time it too must be challenged. But first it must be created. This is where we are. — Fooloso4
People should be allowed, even encouraged, to express, rather than censor, their stupid opinions and racist humour, so as to reveal, rather than keep hidden and festering, their toxic idiocy and unthinking characterizations of others. Wouldn't you prefer Trump. for example, to make clear his zenophobia and his desire to promote it in others, than to keep it and the agenda it motivates well hidden? — Janus
A lot of PC people think of it like this about the struggle part. It's a power play: you exert power by getting people to adapt your discourse or ideas by arguing that they are otherwise against minorities etc. — ssu
Otherwise, customs and language naturally change by time. — ssu
Actually, this shows perfectly the agressive PC attitude (contrary from the polite PC stance). It's starts from the idea that debate is only a power play, it's not about engaging in other views. It assumes that the opposition uses exactly the same methods that it does, starting from things like "you can dismiss things without a second thought". That you could listen to what others say, then try to find weaknesses in their argument, convince the audience that your reasoning is better and trust that the audience can pick the correct/better argument is something quite strange with the PC crowd.Of course its a power play! Politics is always a power play. We need to pay attention to how it is being played. It is not just those who are accused of being PC who are playing. - All you need to know is that is is PC and you can dismiss it without a second thought. — Fooloso4
You mean the whole debate is so irrelevant, not much to even discuss it or what?The problem is the arguments are so weak, there is nothing worthwhile to them at all. This is what is obnoxious about both sidesism. — TheWillowOfDarkness
But has 'the Left' really embraced political correctness? If you go past the stereotypical portrayal of cultural marxists against the alt-right, does this really fall into the left/right divide?When the Left get-up to make a point about the moral seriousness of a cultural practice, the both sidesism paints like they are nazis to dare hold society responsible for these practices. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Truly a red herring as those being critical of PC usually don't have any ideas like that in mind. It is truly a tiny cabal that march with tiki-torches and yell "Jews will not replace us".In this context, "compromise" is largely red-herring because the issues at stake or moral. There is no way to negotiate, for example, over whether whether white people are better than everyone else and we take any one else not to properly belong. The issues of divsion are so devisive because they ones involving a critical moral responsibility. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Actually, this shows perfectly the agressive PC attitude (contrary from the polite PC stance). It's starts from the idea that debate is only a power play — ssu
Yet the truth is that people on both sides of the political divide are annoyed by the victimhood tactics and crybullying of the agressive PC people. — ssu
The video has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with embarrassing a minor celebrity who has made past racist comments. — Baden
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