Meaning, that reasoning is quite hopeless in the face of such feelings. Yet, is it? — Wallows
There isn't any way to reason with it, because it is inherently emotional. — Wallows
So, despite emotional difficulties, reasoning can be used to not loose sight of the bigger picture. — Kaz
I don't think we are strictly divided into emotional and rational. Both need to coexist and cooperate in an organic way. In other words, it's not about turning on the reasoning side and or the emotional side. In that sense, "emotional reasoning" may make sense, for all I know. Anyway, my two cents. — Kaz
Interesting. So, you would assert that there is some metalogical component to the reasoning process that gives rise to some reciprocal relationship between the emotions and reason? — Wallows
Well, yet here we are talking about them in some dichotomistic fashion? Is it language that is confusing us here or what? — Wallows
This makes me think of Perl's Gestalt, where he mentions that awareness can help facilitate the self-regulation of emotions. — Kaz
Probably. Sometimes being more reasonable means being more emotional. — Kaz
Why do people stray away from some safe equilibrium or state of affairs and risk disturbing themselves? — Wallows
Can you provide an example? — Wallows
I don't think we are strictly divided into emotional and rational. Both need to coexist and cooperate in an organic way. In other words, it's not about turning on the reasoning side and or the emotional side. In that sense, "emotional reasoning" may make sense, for all I know. Anyway, my two cents. — Kaz
I would argue that most people are nowhere near the safe equilibrium. There are disturbances of one sort or another, and achieving equilibrium isn't that simple since the self-regulation process requires continuous awareness, at least as far as Perl's Gestalt is concerned. — Kaz
Let's say my brother is going through difficult times, but he hates me just sitting there and listening to him while making only practical suggestions. He wants me to show some emotions and empathy towards him and his situation. So, for the benefit of my brother, and for my own sake to emotionally connect with my brother, it is reasonable for me to be emotional with him. — Kaz
rather than the wild and rambunctious limbic system. — Wallows
One could think about options all day long, but without an emotional value placed, you would go nowhere. — Noah Te Stroete
So, is it ideation itself to assert that some state of affairs will lead to complete bliss and nirvana? — Wallows
But, he's there talking with you. Isn't that enough? — Wallows
Maybe. The circumstances don't have to be ideal, but there are elements that can contribute to deviating person from that equilibrium, such as modern obsession with jobs and careers, approaches to relationships, and health related issues. — Kaz
Maybe it is, maybe it is not. However, if it is preferable for me to be emotional and it brings benefits to both me and my brother, it is reasonable for me to be emotional. — Kaz
Marcus Aurelius was very concerned with treating philosophy as an act of self-therapy. — Wallows
I contest that it is never rational to act on emotions in an uninhibited and without reflexivity. — Wallows
I do use some of the philosophy for therapeutic purposes, but for the life of me, I cannot get into Stoics. — Kaz
Well, in the example of the brother, the rational calculation could have preceded the acting in an emotional state. I get tangled here, though. — Kaz
How about Wittgenstein, or Schopenhauer? — Wallows
Yes, it is puzzling. I suggest the best option is to always listen to what is rational? — Wallows
My therapeutic examples would be Camus' Myth of Sisyphus and Sartre's short stories. — Kaz
Best for what? Could you give an example of rational vs. emotional? — Kaz
Well, why is having fun the right rational point? What if it's done on a whim while one is rich? — Kaz
Well, there is a typical tendency to place a great deal of emphasis on the gratification of wants and needs as resulting in happiness. This is a distorted view, which I don't believe in at least, though. — Wallows
Then is it still rational, to act in a way that's based on a distorted view of reality? — Kaz
Well, if one were to actually believe in the notion that gratifying wants and needs would produce lasting happiness, then I suppose that would be a rationale, though not rational...
I say that it's not rational because it's an endless marathon run that is the attainment of happiness, and is most likely not a result of direct behavior; but, rather indirectly. — Wallows
Perhaps one as close as possible to a Buddhist one, what do you think about it? — Wallows
Every doctor, therapist, or a psychiatrist is aware that in times of crisis people are overwhelmed with feelings of dread, despair, and a whole amalgamate of negative emotions that give momentum to self-destructive thoughts about suicide, homicide, and such matters. — Wallows
What, now? Not sure what this means.Now, I have learned from this experience that has happened for more than once, that patience and impulsivity are two traits that can only help in times of trial and tribulations. — Wallows
The relationship between what you are conscious of and unconscious of is a place difficult to enter with reason, and maybe it's true it isn't enough. When you feel empty inside, running away from that feeling isn't going to help because that is what is. Never run away from what is. The trick is to have a psychopomp in you, or a Hermes or a Janus that can communicate between states of consciousness. Maybe when we are more self-aware, we are less conscious of our unconscious and when we are less self-aware, the unconscious is more conscious of the consciousness. There's nowhere consciousness doesn't exist, it's only awareness that does or doesn't exist in various states of mind.Meaning, that reasoning is quite hopeless in the face of such feelings. Yet, is it? — Wallows
I've given up on passion as a meaningful source of anything good or that will advance you wholistically. Passionate people are usually impulsive, compulsive, and infantile, myself included when I used to get passionate. Now the concept of least effort has replaced passion. Wu-wei is a much healthier and more intelligent substrate of psychological well-being and integration than passion. I'd recommend giving up passion and do all that is done in the spirit of Wu-wei (least effort).Hume is known to have said that reason is the handmaiden of the passions. Is that true in light of this cognitive distortion that at times every one of us may face? — Wallows
What, now? Not sure what this means. — Anthony
I've given up on passion as a meaningful source of anything good or that will advance you wholistically. Passionate people are usually impulsive, compulsive, and infantile, myself included when I used to get passionate. Now the concept of least effort has replaced passion. Wu-wei is a much healthier and more intelligent substrate of psychological health and integration than passion. I'd recommend giving up passion and do all that is done in the spirit of Wu-wei (least effort). — Anthony
A buddhist’s life looks like not much of a life at all to me. — I like sushi
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