Does your idea of what is morally wrong have anything to do with anything other than personal disgust? If so, then enlighten me please. Perhaps you can persuade me to your way of thinking? — Noah Te Stroete
The foundation is the continuation of society, further founded in our nature as social creatures. — Noah Te Stroete
I should say that I believe that some moral sentiments are relative. Others are knowable moral truths. Child raping is wrong is a moral truth. Kosher diet is morally relative. — Noah Te Stroete
That is meaningless without any moral feeling about it. — S
Moral feeling is a necessary condition. Harm to society is a necessary condition. I think both of them together is sufficient. — Noah Te Stroete
They suffice for a moral truth. — Noah Te Stroete
So you believe in moral truths? If so, then I have nothing to argue about. — Noah Te Stroete
So you are definitely a descriptive moral relativist. So am I. Are you also a meta-ethical moral relativist? I am not. — Noah Te Stroete
I just don’t have the stomach to harm a baby. — Noah Te Stroete
So you are definitely a descriptive moral relativist. So am I. Are you also a meta-ethical moral relativist? I am not. — Noah Te Stroete
I disagree with your repeated return to the idea that you can 'objectively' pick any activity you personally approve of (such as vaccination) and claim it to be such an argument, purely on the grounds that it is the model most scientists in the field currently agree on. That is not anywhere near a good enough reason to consider that model to be so far above the others. — Isaac
Exactly. And you think it's obvious enough that one should vaccinate their child, and you think it's obvious enough that we should brush our teeth, and you think it's obvious enough... — Isaac
Indeed, it is not hard to grasp. Anyone familiar enough with common objections to moral relativism will recognise this. And it is easily refuted. You're making the illogical argument that if you're a moral relativist, then you must be an amoralist. I pointed that out ages out. Sorry, but you're not doing fine. You're still not getting it. — S
The foundation is the continuation of society, further founded in our nature as social creatures.
— Noah Te Stroete
That is meaningless without any moral feeling about it. Why should anyone care? The caring is why it matters. This is basic and obvious. — S
whether it is my inability to state it clearly or your lack of understanding it correctly- but that reply has nothing at all to do with the point I was trying to make. — Rank Amateur
Thanks, I’ll do a few hours of research today. It would have been easier if you just directly pointed to the lack of logic. Understand how demeaning it might make you feel to engage the point directly to such an ignorant person as myself. I will crawl back down the mountain master S. — Rank Amateur
I think the question of whether there exist objective morals is a pseudo question. It depends entirely on what criteria we are going to allow to constitute existence. — Isaac
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