I was simply saying something lighthearted (though serious) about his "we."If you are claiming is that jusy for you it's not true that you think aesthetics "is (not?) merely a matter of taste" then sure that requires no argument. But it's also not relevant to Kant's claim which was about people in general, or the general nature of aesthetic judgements. One exception, or even a few exceptions, does not refute Kant's claim is hence not of any interest. — John
Which is basically a version of a "no true Scotsman" or "true metal/false metal" argument. One is saying that one is going to refuse to call a different take on what Fs are "x." It's not a "true x" because it doesn't have the features one personally requires to call it an "x."Kant is saying that if you understand yourself to be merely expressing your opinion about or response to a work of art or nature in the form of "I like it" and nothing more than that, then you should not take yourself to be expressing an aesthetic judgement at all. — John
The fable of the 60s was personified by Morrison and his music, but he is dwarfed by Dylan in talent, rigor, intelligence, and significance. — Hanover
Kant is saying that if you understand yourself to be merely expressing your opinion about or response to a work of art or nature in the form of "I like it" and nothing more than that, then you should not take yourself to be expressing an aesthetic judgement at all. — John
But Dylan wasn't a poet at all, he was just a song-writer. — John
There's a difference between an entertainer who doesn't play an instrument and one who does, of course.There's a difference between an entertainer and someone who can actually play an instrument. Next you'll be telling me someone lip syncing to someone else's voice is a great singer. — wuliheron
"Rigor"? Anyway, I like him just as much as a singer, frontman, etc. as I like Dylan, and I like him almost as much as a lyricist.. I don't think he was as multifaceted as Dylan though, since I don't think Morrison really wrote beyond lyrics, I'm pretty sure he didn't do any arranging, he didn't play other instruments (at least not very extensively) to my knowledge, etc. But I wouldn't say that one person is better than someone else just because they play more instruments, and that's not a general sentiment, otherwise everyone would hold folks like Todd Rundgren, Prince, etc. in much higher regard than most other musical artists. (At that, they're two of my favorites, and especially with Rundgren there's almost no one I like better.)The fable of the 60s was personified by Morrison and his music, but he is dwarfed by Dylan in talent, rigor, intelligence, and significance. — Hanover
The Nobel Peace Prize was always politicized in my opinion. Al Gore won the prize for Chrissakes - granted, I commend his work exposing anthropogenic climate change, but I was never clear on what that had to do with peace. On the other end of the political spectrum, I'm also not clear on why, for instance, Mother Theresa won the prize: nothing she did helped to promote peace, as far as I can tell.Regardless, the award was used for political purposes and it lost significant credibility IMHO. — Hanover
... why, for instance, Mother Theresa won the prize: nothing she did helped to promote peace, as far as I can tell. — Arkady
???Of course, but that merely makes Dylan a great entertainer rather than a great musician. — wuliheron
Leonard Cohen on Bob Dylan's nobel award: “To me, it's like pinning a medal on Mount Everest for being the highest mountain.” — unenlightened
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