Small point: not true for (at least) transfinite cardinal numbers — tim wood
And when exactly does physics do this? If physics don't realise that I am quoting you after you have posted and not before, physics is a dick. Obviously there is no reference frame in which there is no preferred reference frame.physics makes no distinction between now and past/present and in relativity, there is no preferred reference frame. — Devans99
I've no time for stuff like this - philosophical incantations that purport to tell the world how it has to be. It's magical thinking and it doesn't work — unenlightened
And when exactly does physics do this? If physics don't realise that I am quoting you after you have posted and not before, physics is a dick. Obviously there is no reference frame in which there is no preferred reference frame — unenlightened
Nowhere in physics is the concept of now enshrined... — Devans99
You are doing the same magical thinking again. Deriving the way things must be from the thoughts folks have — unenlightened
I think you will find that 'Deriving the way things must be from the thoughts folks have' is part of philosophy and science. — Devans99
So as tim wood points out you mistake your fantasy for reality, and talk bollocks and call it 'philosophy' — unenlightened
the argument in the OP? — Devans99
The world does not have to do what you or anyone else says — unenlightened
Very anthropic, macranthropic, even. Then we daren't ask the question that is always fair to ask: why is there something instead of nothing? Logic, eh? If we knew the answer to this unanswerable question, maybe it would be possible to replace the concept of God with logic, maybe it could be dubbed "Godgic." This is suggestive of the belief mathematics was discovered, not invented. Where have we caught the universe doing its sums or solving equations like some sort of school boy? Is the universe a school boy?But logic predates, transcends and governs the universe, so yes, the universe has to behave logically. — Devans99
Where have we caught the universe doing its sums like some sort of school boy? — Anthony
Only people have done this. You could only ever have seen people doing sums...what the logic and math describe is not the logic and math, but something different and something greater.when have we not caught the universe doing sums? — Devans99
Nothing has ever not happened in the present — Anthony
Quite literally, nothing can escape the present — Anthony
You could think of it like that, but physics makes no distinction between now and past/present and in relativity, there is no preferred reference frame. — Devans99
Presentism posits 'only now always existed' so all forms of it require an infinite regress, which is not only undesirable, its actually impossible:
1. The number of events in an infinite regress is greater than any number.
2. Which is a contradiction; can’t be a number and greater than any number*. — Devans99
Eternalism is the accepted view of the majority of physicists. — Devans99
I should point out that there is only one kind of infinity — Devans99
You could think of it like that, but physics makes no distinction between now and past/present and in relativity, there is no preferred reference frame. — Devans99
But logic predates, transcends and governs the universe, so yes, the universe has to behave logically. — Devans99
F=ma, e=mc^2, etc... when have we not caught the universe doing sums? It seems to follow purely mathematical rules. And thats what you'd expect; logic transcends everything and maths is just an extension of logic. — Devans99
No need to be so rude. You won't sensibly win anyone over that way. — Roland
F=ma, e=mc^2, etc... when have we not caught the universe doing sums? — Devans99
don't understand this. First of all, you say an infinite regress is impossible — T Clark
1.The number of events in an infinite regress is greater than any number.
2. Which is a contradiction; can’t be a number and greater than any number*. — Devans99
Physicists speculate that the universe may be infinite in size, there may be infinite multi-verses. — T Clark
While we are at it, show us how presentism and eternalism can be differentiated by experiment or observation? — T Clark
but it's also true if I drop a glass 5 feet onto concrete it will fall and break on the floor. (thermodynamic direction of time) It will then not spontaneously reassemble and jump back onto the counter. — T Clark
So if we experience a stream, a linear sequence of nows, where we don't experience the past and future in the same way, how do we avoid an infinite regress in terms of our temporal experience? — Terrapin Station
Therefor time doesn't have to begin or end. — Roland
Or has it occurred to you that the universe does what it does because that is all that it can do, and that maths and physics is just a modeling language that tries to describe that doing? — tim wood
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