It is objective biology and outside individual human desire or judgment where our nose goes, — Rank Amateur
Yes, we know what apodeictic means. What we're missing is your argument for why moral position are such truths. You just keep re-stating your belief that they are with increasing incredulity. I'll start you off. Murder is universally and objectively wrong because... — Isaac
Now, what is your argument against this, assuming you have one? — S
No, your reply is what's not reasonable. It is not at all reasonable to assume that absent objective morality, no one should complain about any attempts made by anyone to murder them. That's not just wrong, it's daft. — S
But what exactly would be your grounds for complaint? — tim wood
You understand that on my view it's biology that produces our moral stances, too, right? — Terrapin Station
I never argued this near universal agreement was not biological, I have said a few times said it could be evolved. It is just not a individually unique biology. — Rank Amateur
s pertinent to something I wrote earlier today: "I can't help but think that some of this stems from misunderstandings--namely, believing that relativists and/or subjectivists are more or less saying that morality is wildly divergent from person to person, and that it's essentially arbitrary. But no one is actually claiming anything like that." — Terrapin Station
you just have not come up with any reason why on some issues it is near universal. — Rank Amateur
I will agree but that seems quite objective to me with the source being a shared human evolution. — Rank Amateur
we all hold near universal views on the morality of some issues - I call that highly objective, don't you? — Rank Amateur
Under subjectivist morality, the only explanation that we need for near-universal moral judgments is that our bodies develop in similar ways--a notion that's quite uncontroversial for most things (otherwise medicine wouldn't work, we'd not be able to explain why almost everyone has ten fingers and ten toes, etc.). — Terrapin Station
What you continue to avoid answering is why you think that difference causes us to consider majority thoughts on morality as objective truths when not only do we not do this for any other class of thought, but we take great pains to avoid doing so. — Isaac
Re this, for the umpteenth time, ALL that I'm saying by the term "subjective" is that we're referring to a mental phenomenon. We can just drop the terms "subjective/objective" and I can just say that "moral stances do not occur outside of persons thinking them." The reason that they think them is biological. Biology is as it is because of evolution and common environmental factors, which lead to near-universal agreement on some things. — Terrapin Station
My ownership of my life is absolute. — tim wood
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