Psychiatry seems to exclude an important aspect, the external reality like socio-economic factors and other things you guys mentioned, which have causal import to mental health and focuses, unduly, on the inner world/self of a person. — TheMadFool
No it doesn't. This is not how assessments work. We take into account all external as well as internal factors that could contribute to a persons dysfunction. — Anaxagoras
No it doesn't. This is not how assessments work. We take into account all external as well as internal factors that could contribute to a persons dysfunction. I'm seeing a lot of you guys make assumptions here without any real support. When I evaluate my clients I take into account all factors. — Anaxagoras
If you were a psychiatrist trained in a system where you are taught that concentration camps are normal, and that mentally healthy people are well-adapted to concentration camps, if your career and social status depended on you accepting that concentration camps are normal, would you look at the concentration camp itself as an external factor that could contribute to a person's dysfunction, or would you see the concentration camp as an essential part of reality that the person ought to adapt to? — leo
but it is quite odd to blame and treat a person who's depressed with medication because people treat him/her badly — TheMadFool
You see the problem is not with him. It's the people who mistreat him. The pills don't treat that significant part of the problem do they? — TheMadFool
That is beneath your usual level, and rather disappointing. Such a statement is an insulting grab for the moral high ground and bears no relevance to anything that had been written earlier.I bring up psychology's pseudoscience and racist past in order to encourage you and others to have a little less hubris, a little more humility, and a more careful use of language. — unenlightened
Just like ambulance officers don't see it as their business to stop people driving so fast. Should ambulance officers all quit attending road accidents and take up jobs as highway patrol police until we reach that utopian ideal when nobody drives dangerously any more?One of the things psychology has been quite good at is identifying social risk factors for mental illness. Unfortunately, it has never been seen as its business to mitigate them. — unenlightened
This just shows that you don't understand what depression is. Many people with depression are not that way as a result of being treated badly at all. Many people in unfortunate circumstances are not depressed.it is quite odd to blame and treat a person who's depressed with medication because people treat him/her badly — TheMadFool
It sounds like you are not aware that that is exactly what psychiatrists are.There is a need for medical doctors with special additional training regarding mental and behavioral problems, psychoactive drugs, medical diseases presenting with psychological and behavioral symptoms — Chisholm
Just like ambulance officers don't see it as their business to stop people driving so fast. — andrewk
Such a statement is an insulting grab for the moral high ground and bears no relevance to anything that had been written earlier. — andrewk
Possibly one of the dumbest things the scientific community did was to allow businesses like Pharma to use science as a marketing tool, hide their data and then sell billions of dollars of drugs whose efficacy was exaggerated and risks were downplayed. — Chisholm
As I brought up earlier in a casual way, psychology is heavily implicated and has great impact and influence on the advertising industry, and it is no mistake. — unenlightened
As Harrington ably documents, a series of fiascoes highlighted the profession’s continued inability to answer Clark Bell’s question. [*] Among them was the 1973 vote by the American Psychiatric Association declaring that homosexuality was no longer a mental illness. The obvious question—how scientific is a discipline that settles so momentous a problem at the ballot box?
...even as the DSM (now in its fifth edition) remains the backbone of clinical psychiatry—and becomes the everyday glossary of our psychic suffering—knowledge about the biology of the disorders it lists has proved so elusive that the head of the National Institute of Mental Health, in 2013, announced that it would be “re-orienting its research away from DSM categories.”
However, it is also irrelevant (i.e., off-topic). — Galuchat
the value of psychiatric treatment is an empirical question, meaning we can look at the data to determine if the various treatments are effective. — Hanover
If the bottom line is that psychiatry is offering assistance to those seeking assistance, then psychiatry has the right to some degree of pride in doing what it's doing. — Hanover
Medicine is supposed to be science based — unenlightened
This is likewise nonsensical. One can devise an effective treatment for homosexuality, and be as empirical as an empire about it, but the successful treatment of something that is not an illness is bad medicine at best, and a serious violation of human rights if imposed against an individual's will as in the case of Alan Turing. — unenlightened
If the bottom line is that psychiatry is offering assistance to those seeking assistance, then psychiatry has the right to some degree of pride in doing what it's doing. — Hanover
But that isn't all psychiatry does. Alone of the branches of medicine, it frequently and systematically imposes treatment on those not seeking assistance against their expressed will. — unenlightened
Where psychiatrists really earn their status is in dealing with major mental illness, where life and death issues are at hand. Their waiting room full of merely unhappy, dissatisfied, pissed off, worried sick patients will mostly get better on their own, as they always have, but he gets paid to help them, so... — Bitter Crank
There are fairly strict laws regulating the imposition of unwanted treatment, requiring judicial intervention. — Hanover
I've been to a therapist before and it did offer some insight. — Hanover
It had its value and I'm not ready to jettison the whole profession as a scam, or worse yet, a destructive, controlling cancer on our society. — Hanover
I've seen psychiatrists and three different therapists. — Bitter Crank
And psychiatrists campaign against conditions that contribute to psychiatric disorders. For instance they have been foremost in the campaign in Australia against the inhumane treatment of refugees in detention, many of whom are now suffering psychological disorders. So what's your complaint?And the medical profession doesn't campaign against smoking, over eating, poor sanitation, or poor air quality? — unenlightened
Such a plea would have a greater ring of sincerity if you hadn't said:C'mon man play the ball not the man! — unenlightened
I don't know why you launched this bitter, unprovoked attack, but it would be a good idea to reflect on why you have done it, rather than doubling down.in order to encourage you and others to have a little less hubris, a little more humility, and a more careful use of language. — unenlightened
My complaints are many, and they are mainly generalisations admitting of honourable exceptions. My complaint against you is that you are making personal remarks with no justification. And an additional complaint is that when confronted with the nonsensicality of your insinuation that it is not part of a medical profession's remit to criticise and campaign for social improvements, you resort to suggesting that instead that I have denied that any psychiatrist has ever done such a thing. So I question in turn your own sincerity.So what's your complaint? — andrewk
in order to encourage you and others to have a little less hubris, a little more humility, and a more careful use of language.
— unenlightened
I don't know why you launched this bitter, unprovoked attack, but it would be a good idea to reflect on why you have done it, rather than doubling down. — andrewk
... but you won't identify one of them,My complaints are many — unenlightened
... and yet you don't.I think I can point you to the several provocations — unenlightened
If you are now saying your attack on an individual and a profession was off topic then it's hard to see why you pursued it so vehemently. But if your grudge is spent then let's drop it.It's off topic really — unenlightened
I've seen psychiatrists and three different therapists. — Bitter Crank
And you're still crazy as shit — Hanover
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