No it doesn't. This is not how assessments work. We take into account all external as well as internal factors that could contribute to a persons dysfunction. I'm seeing a lot of you guys make assumptions here without any real support. When I evaluate my clients I take into account all factors. — Anaxagoras
”We have come a long way in understanding psychiatric disorders, and our knowledge continues to expand. Our work saves and improves so many lives.”
This conversation really isn't one that fits within the purview of philosophy as far as I can tell. Because psychology is a scientific discipline, the value of psychiatric treatment is an empirical question, meaning we can look at the data to determine if the various treatments are effective. That is, if we can show statistically that Xanax offers relief from anxiety, then it simply does, regardless of whether that causes you to ponder "what really is normal" and the moral implications of normalizing normal and other naval gazing activity. — Hanover
And you're still crazy as shit, so I guess I'll have to concede the point that psychiatrists and psychologists are useless. Well played sir. — Hanover
I thought to myself that was an astute observation I just made about myself as I sat there, further self-diagnosing and self-treating. Sort of like I'm doing now. — Hanover
Well, that wasn't all in the same week! It took 25 years to stumble on the last one who was really quite good.
You are supposed to do most of the talking. Only you, after all, know just how fucked up your family life was, the horrible things that happened in the cradle, and so on. The therapist is there as a guide, a mirror, and an echo chamber, in whom you see and hear yourself, and come to understand just how horribly wrong it all went.
Then, after you have finally collapsed in a paroxysm of weeping, wailing, rending your polyester double knit shirt and sprinkling the ash tray's cigarette butts on your head, have really used that box of Kleenex, you're reading for Phase II, where the silent therapist who listened to you for 3 years comes to life and instructs you in detail in how to get your shit reorganized, and to move on to finally become a whole, integrated, and somewhat satisfactory person. That may take another 5 years. — Bitter Crank
I hope this was sarcasm and I hope there was a method to this madness. I take offense at someone who pokes fun at someone's mental health whether they are going through some form of mental abnormality or not. — Anaxagoras
we should expect that the number of disabled mentally ill in the United States would have declined over the past 50 years. — Chisholm
Why are so many Americans today, while they may not be disabled by mental illness, nevertheless plagued by chronic mental problems — by recurrent depression and crippling anxiety? — Chisholm
there are no mental illnesses that can be diagnosed on any basis other than an assessment of behaviour. There is no bug, no gene, no chemical deficiency, no physical property at all that unequivocally marks out any psychological illness. — unenlightened
There is no bug, no gene, no chemical deficiency, no physical property at all that unequivocally marks out any psychological illness — unenlightened
the biological neuro-physical materialist objective approach has not been successful — unenlightened
So your complaint is that mental illnesses are not reducible to simple underlying physical causes? That's what makes psychology and psychiatry "unscientific" in your assessment? — SophistiCat
Perhaps we can talk about 'the medical model' - behaviour understood as illness. — unenlightened
I hope this was sarcasm and I hope there was a method to this madness. I take offense at someone who pokes fun at someone's mental health whether they are going through some form of mental abnormality or not. — Anaxagoras
Great self-reflection! but it doesn't change the fact that you may not have gotten down to the root cause as to why you were there in the first place, and why you were there is indicative that there exist something that required objective mitigation through therapeutic means. — Anaxagoras
This doesn't change the fact that psychology being a branch from philosophy, provides value through the structural reasoning that many researchers and professionals like myself use as a model to understand the foundation of the human mind. — Anaxagoras
What is the point of that question? You could play that game with any profession: what is a lumberjack without their cutting down of trees, what is Chris Froome without his bicycle, or Serena Williams without her racquet?
What psychiatrists offer to society is that they can eliminate or mitigate the suffering of many people who suffer chronic mental anguish, and in some cases cure them for good.
That psychiatry has been used for terrible things in the past is not in dispute. But so has teaching - just read Nicholas Nickleby, David Copperfield or Tom Brown's Schooldays. Yet we don't blame today's teachers for the sins committed by teachers past. So has nursing, with many nurses involved in forced adoptions from unmarried mothers. But we don't blame today's nurses for that. — andrewk
What is the point of that question? — andrewk
its lack of evidence-based rigor, and with the collapse of the biological mythology, no longer able to justify its dominance among the various mental helping professions — Chisholm
What psychiatrists offer to society is that they can eliminate or mitigate the suffering of many people who suffer chronic mental anguish, and in some cases cure them for good. — andrewk
What is the point of that question? You could play that game with any profession: what is a lumberjack without their cutting down of trees, what is Chris Froome without his bicycle, or Serena Williams without her racquet? — andrewk
It sounds like your concern about psychiatry relates to its practice in the criminal justice system, where the subject is not the doctor's client. That will always be problematic, just as it is with forensic pathologists and police surgeons.the practice of psychiatry isn't politically neutral, either on the side of the patient who requests a diagnosis due to failing to conform to the social values of modern society — sime
As a person that professionally works in the psychiatric field... — Anaxagoras
I have yet to hear from any psychiatrists as to what it is exactly that the profession of psychiatry has to offer, AND what it is, that is unique to psychiatry alone (as opposed to the various therapeutic technologies of psychologists, social workers, family therapists, community workers, etc. etc.), other than psychotropic medications and the pathological labels of the DSM. — Chisholm
If it weren’t for psychiatry, I wouldn’t be allowed to live in the community. Make whatever assumptions you will from this. — Noah Te Stroete
For all I know, maybe you shouldn't "be allowed to live in the community". — Galuchat
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