No it's based precisely on NOT watching me because if you had watched me you'd see that's not what I was advocating as my previous post CLEARLY illustrates providing evidence from my other posts within this thread. So it's based on your prejudice. You should really be ashamed of yourself.What I said is based on watching you in this thread and others, ad nauseum, promoting an authoritarian model of morality, it's based on nothing more nor less than that, Agustino. — John
I was mentioning morality and such as separated from religion. I think you can do that... — Heister Eggcart
So do you think casual sex is moral - apart from religion? — Agustino
Apart from religion? What do you mean by that, exactly? — Heister Eggcart
Because you talked of morality apart from religion. So I was inquiring about it. — Agustino
There are quite a few too many Christians out there that think you can't be moral or even discuss morality unless you're religious. — Heister Eggcart
Okay. I'm not one of them then ;) — Agustino
He's more honest than Hillary that is true - but he's not an honest person. — Agustino
Yes because I want to unmask this sexually immoral progressive culture. Trump is the baboon to do it. — Agustino
...your politcal answers would actually take us backwards. — TheWillowOfDarkness
A woman purposefully going dressed like a whore to attract the attention of men - that's not her just being who she wants, she knows clearly what effect that will have - it's just a biological reaction. So while men shouldn't abuse her, catcall her, or anything of that sort even in that case - it doesn't also follow that she should purposefully get dressed in such a way as to excite strong (and potentially) uncontrollable passions in men. — Agustino
Well that's a loaded question isn't it? I doubt that the way you frame it is the way it actually happened. — Agustino
Yes good to see you failed to even address any of the points I made in those long paragraphs. Is that what you progressives are like - ignoring the arguments and just pointing fingers at strawmen?No, it isn't a loaded question and in light of the various similar stories and the type of horror almost every woman has to go through and then having mysogynists like you suggest they are lying is exactly what creates rape culture. Congratulations, you're clearly part of that problem. — Benkei
I take it then that you don't know what you're quoting, or you're not reading it carefully enough. So let's go back:This is nothing but giving a free pass for predatory sexual behaviour. — TheWillowOfDarkness
What does this mean now? Does this mean giving a free pass to predatory sexual behaviour? Absolutely not. It actually means the contrary.So while men shouldn't abuse her, catcall her, or anything of that sort even in that case — Agustino
Ok so after you it's moral for her to do that right? It's moral for her to use her body to feel domination and power over another no? And the other should have no means of defence against this - no law on his side to for example call the police and to get that woman out of his face. Obviously she doesn't want to have sex - she wants to dominate me. That's a problem.To illustrate, a woman could strip off, rub her breasts in your face and lay down and spread her legs in front of you, and still not want to have sex with you. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Oh so this wanting people to desire you sexually is a good and honorable desire no? It's good and honorable to want others to feel like they are your property, under the spell and control of your beauty right?Just becasue someone is dressed in a way intending to bring about sexual desire from others, it doesn't mean they actually want to have sex with anyone. Wanting people to desire you sexually is distinct from desiring to have sex with someone. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Then if they're not available why the hell do they want to be sexually desirable if not in order to have power and dominate?So when a woman rejects them, all the blame falls on them for daring to be sexually desirable (but not available) — TheWillowOfDarkness
Absolutely not.And this is why your approach can only take us backwards in terms of sexual harassment and assault. It teaches men they are entailed to sex from anyone they find sexually attractive. — TheWillowOfDarkness
No I actually advocated a position which tackles both of those problems at once, instead of only one of them like you.He's just advocated the position which harms with respect to sexual harassment and sexual assault, which envisions both issues as a question of keeping women locked away from encounters with men, rather than tackling the heart of the issue: that some men think women are their sexual possessions by their mere existence. — TheWillowOfDarkness
The progressives are so against Trump because Trump unmasks them - he unmasks their fakeness, their lies, and their immorality through himself. He is the product of their society - a society where your average Joe is a rapist like Trump. And your average woman is a power and fame hungry creature waiting to manipulate and abuse men through her sexuality. This is nothing but the cold truth. — Agustino
For the sake of this specific discussion in this thread...
Progressive/Liberal = permissive when it comes to sexual morality - permissive (and encouraging) of casual sex, adultery, fornication, promiscuity, etc. — Agustino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHINo, that is not true. Quite the contrary, as demonstrated by comparitive fact checking assessments. Where are you getting that from? Is it just your uninformed opinion or have you cherry picked? Trump is a far bigger liar. — Sapientia
And how then do you fail to realise that I agree and you're only shadow boxing a strawman? For example:I stick to the important partes; respect for women is a good start. — Benkei
How is the bolded part not evidence of this for example?A woman purposefully going dressed like a whore to attract the attention of men - that's not her just being who she wants, she knows clearly what effect that will have - it's just a biological reaction. So while men shouldn't abuse her, catcall her, or anything of that sort even in that case - it doesn't also follow that she should purposefully get dressed in such a way as to excite strong (and potentially) uncontrollable passions in men. — Agustino
How is the bolded part not evidence of this for example? — Agustino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKFC9r2xzYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoJMT90N9nY
CROOKED HILLARY - and everyone knows it. Show me the time when a crowd will laugh when they hear "Donald Trump is honest" - you won't be able to. — Agustino
So what kind of message does Hillary give to our kids when you show her indisputable evidence of having done X and she just laughs and says she's never done X? Clearly a worse message no?He'll admit it when forced to (when indisputable evidence is involved), but he'll justify and explain away his actions. He specifically tends to justify his abhorrent behavior by pointing to other people who've done similar things. Honestly my 17-year-old stopped doing that a couple years ago, and takes much more accountability for his actions than a presidential candidate. What kind of message does this send to our society, specifically our kids, Agustino? — Erik
Oh how mistaken I think you are. Do you think those folks who have just grabbed the reigns of power, and now are looking to dominate using them will yield up their power willingly because of the "morality" of any agenda? The progressives are running a war - you think they really want their moral agenda? Of course not - they're running the most blatant power game in modern history - they're the new slave owners - on a multitude of issues. On the one we were talking about regarding men and women - they are the new slave owners who want women to have complete power over men, while men cannot do anything about what women do - where men have no form of protection. You think they'll let you change that? You think they'll give that up for "equality"? That's like asking the slave owner benefiting from his slaves to free them up!I think I'm tending towards the position that it'll be easier to reform progressivism with some 'culturally conservative' principles than to reform the Republican Party with progressive economic (and certain cultural!) principles. — Erik
Okay so let's have a look and see if this really is the case - if the two sentences are contradictory.Because it's negated by the sentence following it — Benkei
So clearly you must not be referring to the part in italics, but rather to the part in bold as the source of the negation. So let's see:So while men shouldn't abuse her, catcall her, or anything of that sort even in that case - it doesn't also follow that she should purposefully get dressed in such a way as to excite strong (and potentially) uncontrollable passions in men. That's just not decent - it's simply a power game. — Agustino
So if a women purposefully dresses in such a way in order to subjugate the desires of other men to her persona she's not acting shamefully according to you?claiming they acted "shamefully" — Benkei
So women = good, and men = bad - all the time in rape/assault accusations, right? Why shouldn't we question their credibility with the same scrutiny that we question the credibility of men - it should be the same for both. What about innocent until proven guilty? That only applies when the women are the potential criminals no? When it's men - guilty until proven innocent right? It must be impossible that you're not capable of seeing such prejudices in your thinking. It really has to be.or questioning their credibility — Benkei
Ok so let's look deeper. So you're telling me that it's not shameful to seek to have power and dominate others right? So if women were to seek to have power and dominate others through the way they dress - then that wouldn't make them shameful - right? Ok if that is so, then why would it be shameful when a man seeks to have power over women and calls them sluts when they dress inappropriately? I think both are shameful, but it surprises me how you only think one of them to be shameful.Even if it were true (and it isn't) that women purposefully dress to subjugate the desires of men, they still haven't acted shamefully - that doesn't necessarily follow and is only your narrow moral framework that adds that value judgment (as so many conservatives). — Benkei
Did I say it was? No. So don't strawman.or sharing responsibility for a resulting rape. — Benkei
I suggest you look around yourself more. Preferably not through the prism of any biases, but rather to see how things really are regardless of what beliefs you already hold.Even if it were true (and it isn't) — Benkei
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