Yawn. Objective just means reproducible under fixed conditions. Nothing more. The blather about mind and feelings and independence and perception and reality and truth and so on is just noise.
The sooner people realize objective and subjective do not form an antithetical pair, the better. — StreetlightX
When I say that the existence of Jupiter is objective, you take me to mean that the existence of Jupiter is reproducible under fixed conditions?
Nope, doesn't seem to work. That's not what I mean at all. — S
And as for ‘subjective' - frankly, nobody knows what ‘subjective’ means. — StreetlightX
Right, so 'the existence of Jupiter' is not the kind of thing that can be qualified as objective - or not. You're projecting a grammar mistake onto the thing itself. — StreetlightX
I usually find your answers weirdly mistaken. It's like you're engaged in a futile fight against common sense. You present instead some account which you seem to think is more sophisticated, but which actually causes more problems. The main problem here seems to be that you're trying to dictate language — S
This sounds like you too. — Merkwurdichliebe
But that is how it works. Or at least, in any real life scientific context where objectivity is said of expriments and their results. It's only here, among 'philosophers', where I am 'attempting to dictate language'. But consider that you've been using language wrong, from the very beginning. — StreetlightX
Where is your argument for such a claim, how and why will lame-ass ordinary language philosophy prevail? it's been around about a century now and it has settled nothing. — Merkwurdichliebe
That's hilarious coming from someone who declares that they eschew the thinking of the mob; which ordinary language obviously reflects. — Janus
In the context of ethics, I eschewed treating the thinking of the mob as sacrosanct, as you do, because it leads to obvious problems which you can't resolve. — S
I am with you there. — Merkwurdichliebe
Wriggle away, man; you're dead wrong about my following 'mob-thinking" in ethics. You simply don't have a clue what I was getting at. In fact I don't think you have a clue what you are getting at either; you just like the sound of your own voice. — Janus
Just don't expect me to properly deal with any thought experiment which shows the glaring fault in my pet theory — S
Now can we get back on topic, I was digging what StreetlightX had to say. — Merkwurdichliebe
You really should learn to do that kind of thing if you don't want to spend the rest of your life as a toxic fool. — Janus
Go ahead then, return to, "These terms really mean something completely different", and block out any criticism of that approach. — S
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