— RBS
RBS
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↪Frank Apisa
I appreciate your straight forwardness and I am with you on your "belief" that the existence of a god (s) cannot be thrown away, meaning there is something (s) or someone (s) that is in control of what is out of the human control and reach? agree?? — RBS
I prefer not to guess one way or the other. — Frank Apisa
I see no reason to suppose the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible... — Frank Apisa
...and I see no reason to suppose the existence of a GOD or gods is necessary. — Frank Apisa
There may be at least one god...there may be none. — Frank Apisa
If forced to make a guess (which for me would be a blind guess)...I would toss Mr. Coin...the coin my wife and I use to make decisions in our football pools when we are undecided. — Frank Apisa
But the statement "I do not believe any gods exist" IS NOT AMBIGUOUS. — Frank Apisa
When you provided further context, namely that you hold no beliefs about gods, then and only then was your statement no longer ambiguous as to what you meant.
— Fool
Bullshit. — Frank Apisa
YOU were mistaking the comment "I do not believe X"...to mean "I believe not-X" — Frank Apisa
But, you apparently are not very bright. You thought they were contradictory. — Frank Apisa
There is NO WAY they are contradictory. — Frank Apisa
If you see my statements as contradictory...which you said you did...your "educational level or training" is inadequate. — Frank Apisa
Fooloso4
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But the statement "I do not believe any gods exist" IS NOT AMBIGUOUS. — Frank Apisa
That is not the statement I said was ambiguous. The statement in question is: "I do not "believe" there are no gods". That statement is entirely consistent with your believing that there are gods. — Fooloso4
I disagree with lots of what you said here, but I am going to attack our disagreement in a different way.
I am going to agree with something you said; add something to it; and then ask if you are of the same mind on what I added.
Regarding gods, you wrote: "But I do not believe they do exist."
I also do not "believe" any gods exist, Fooloso.
AND I do not "believe" there are no gods.
Are you of that same mind? — Frank Apisa
We are of the same mind regarding the first belief. As to the second, no. You are, of course, allowed to hold contradictory beliefs, but I prefer not to. — Fooloso4
The weak. — S
The strong. — S
That's how much my mind's processor can work with only two words :)You misunderstand. — S
psychological — S
The question is, why should the weak be asking for God, and not for being rich or powerful? — RBS
Because that was the point I was making. — Frank Apisa
such as upbringing, and such as indoctrination — S
I am not going to guess at your motivation, but you will find that the more you play games, the less interested people will be in having a conversation with you. Your loss. There are some members here who know quite a bit about philosophy, but given your behavior I doubt that any of them will bother with you for long. — Fooloso4
Fooloso4
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Bye bye Frankie. Some day you may grow up and realize that you are only playing at doing philosophy, but given your age, I doubt it. I think you are probably capable of stating things in a clear and simple way, but you prefer to deal in ambiguities. When I asked you what is the point? Why phrase something in a way that you know will lead to misunderstanding? Your answer was:
Because that was the point I was making. — Frank Apisa
The point you were making is that you can phrase something in a way that you know will lead to misunderstanding?
One thing that is of value in Plato's dialogues is what it reveals about the character of Socrates' interlocutors. Other noted philosophers have also pointed to the importance of character. Wittgenstein said that working in philosophy is working on one's self. You have a lot of work to do, but I suspect you will only continue to play games intended to mislead and think that your playing at philosophy is doing philosophy.
I am not going to guess at your motivation, but you will find that the more you play games, the less interested people will be in having a conversation with you. Your loss. There are some members here who know quite a bit about philosophy, but given your behavior I doubt that any of them will bother with you for long. — Fooloso4
What do you have in mind in how you are using “weak” and “strong”? What attributes define those words? — DingoJones
So there are no people who believe in god that are brave, resilient and self - sufficient? — DingoJones
So your really just talking about weakness/strength concerning a few specific traits, the god belief traits such as fear of death? — DingoJones
Is it that they are weak, or possess certain traits such as a need for spiritual meaning? — DingoJones
Maureen
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↪Frank Apisa
I am not talking about beliefs. You and anyone else can believe whatever the hell you want. I can believe that there is an island full of pink unicorns in the middle of the south pacific, but I do not know if there is an island like this. I have read what you said about not seeing any evidence that there needs to be a God(s) or that the presence of a God(s) would necessarily make a difference, but none of that changes the fact that nobody knows if God(s) exist, nor does the fact that you do not accept or deny God(s) existence. To not accept or deny that God(s) exist based on the reasons that you gave is to say that you are using those reasons as the basis for your stance, rather than admitting that you don't know if God(s) exists, plain and simple. You can obviously give reasons for why you don't know if God(s) exist, but this will not change the concept. — Maureen
You might be weaker or stronger in other ways, and vice versa. Why does it have to be a broad stroke of “they are weak, I am strong”? — DingoJones
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