I guess we’ll never know your accounting. :sad: — praxis
"we often feel differently and judge moral matters differently". — S
Ethical orientations aren't a matter of taste. They are based on deep convictions. — Merkwurdichliebe
Why do people do this? Seriously? What is this? Preaching to the choir or straw man? — S
It's called the philosophy forums. — Merkwurdichliebe
Don't be so agitated. — Merkwurdichliebe
First I'm not asking for what is right or wrong, rather were do our sense of right and wrong come from — hachit
Why don't you just not make a frankly silly assumption, like that we're all clones, and then try to push the faux-problem of explaining why we're not onto me? — S
Essentially the same physiology yet two very different moral frameworks — praxis
Essentially the same physiology yet two very different moral frameworks. Clearly, it is inadequate to say that the mind or limbic system is the source of morals because it cannot account for vast differences in moral frameworks. — praxis
I'd like to propose a different sort of silliness. Imagine, if you will, someone cloning you and then placing the cloned baby S into a very different culture than the one you grew up in. Cloned baby S would adopt whatever conceptual order or abstract principles, or whatever mysterious extra-mental phenomenon that exists in that culture. Let's say for the example that the culture is cannibalistic. Let's also assume for the example that you're not a cannibal and believe that cannibalism is immoral, if only marginally. Both you and cloned baby S started out with practically the same neurology or limbic system, yet cloned baby S is cool with eating people and you, we assume, find it immoral. — praxis
I'd like to propose a different sort of silliness. Imagine, if you will, someone cloning you and then placing the cloned baby S into a very different culture than the one you grew up in. Cloned baby S would adopt whatever conceptual order or abstract principles, or whatever mysterious extra-mental phenomenon that exists in that culture. Let's say for the example that the culture is cannibalistic. Let's also assume for the example that you're not a cannibal and believe that cannibalism is immoral, if only marginally. Both you and cloned baby S started out with practically the same neurology or limbic system, yet cloned baby S is cool with eating people and you, we assume, find it immoral.
— praxis
It seems as if you're unaware that people in the same family, including twins, even, can and often do have completely different moral views. — Terrapin Station
I can reiterate also. Cultures, particularly in the Information Age, can accommodate a range of moral views and values. — praxis
First I'm not asking for what is right or wrong, rather were do our sense of right and wrong come from. — hachit
a very different culture — praxis
yet cloned baby S is cool with eating people and you, we assume, find it immoral. — praxis
Cloned baby S would adopt whatever conceptual order or abstract principles, or whatever mysterious extra-mental phenomenon that exists in that culture. — praxis
We are taught that we need to continue our species’ existence - it is NOT inherent,
I think our moral compass is set by what we regard as our community - we do things that are acceptable (=moral) as defined by our community.
Then explain how some people develop new moral on there own, because if you are correct morals set and no new ones can be created. — hachit
The morals that we sense to be basic, like "don't kill each other" basically stem from the emotional care of the group — Christoffer
I think morality could evolve as your community or sense of community evolves. — Devans99
So willpower is another variable that could change causing someones morality to change. — Devans99
Many problems in society seem to stem from an inappropriate definition of the group/community. For example, regarding the group as 'your country' rather than 'the human race' tends to lead to conflicts of interest and war. Leaving animals out of the group, leads to ill-treatment of animals. Etc... — Devans99
Willpower is irrelevant if a deep understanding of human psychology and biology as roots for moral values are ignored. Deep understanding of ethics is required before willpower to act upon such balanced moral values. — Christoffer
This is why it's complicated as thinking "too big" locks any morals into unknowns. — Christoffer
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