Are you high? It's like your memory bottomed out and you forgot what our discussion was about. — Merkwurdichliebe
IN the first box they are treated equally. — Banno
, I couldn't give two shits about your opinion — Merkwurdichliebe
The Australian Liberal Party has 74% men in the Australian Parliament.
Their opposition, the Labour Party, has 53% men.
The Liberal narrative is along the lines you are adopting. They claim that the disparity is due to merit.
Should the Liberals do something to redress this imbalance? — Banno
I can understand treating individuals differently according to their individual needs, but I cannot comprehend treating entire races/genders differently according to some kind of generalized difference in needs. — VagabondSpectre
In fact, I might argue that racism and sexism (as concepts) are directed toward groups rather than individuals. Could that, in some way, indicate that collectivities are an essential component of racism or sexism? — Merkwurdichliebe
I can see myself taking up an opposing position: The overall impact of racism necessarily comes from the cumulative effects of individual acts of discrimination. — VagabondSpectre
A racist act towards one individual might symbolically be a racist act toward an entire race, but it does not actually impact all members of that race. — VagabondSpectre
I don't see how the notion of compensating an entire demographic to correct inequality can be effectively and equitably applied in practice. And if all we're doing is correcting the effects of discrimination after the fact (as opposed to arresting the unjust discrimination to begin with), aren't we chasing our own tails? — VagabondSpectre
I agree that the racist individual is the most essential component. But a hate crime that is perpetrated on an individual is, as they say, not personal, its business. A hate crime is not directed at the individual, but at the group to which he belongs, the individual is incidental. Furthermore, the racist identifies herself with what she considers to be a superior race, so that her decisions are made on behalf of her race, and not on behalf of herself as individual. — Merkwurdichliebe
Anyone that constitutionally identifies themselves with the victim race would be vicariously affected to the same degree as the actual victim. And then the actual victim, the victimized individual, matters only anecdotally. — Merkwurdichliebe
Indeed. I don't think that compensating an entire demographic to correct inequality can be effectively and equitably applied either. I predict it would end with something that looks like the Soviet g.u.l.a.g. — Merkwurdichliebe
Hate crimes — VagabondSpectre
I find the idea that someone who shares the race of a victim can be vicariously affected to the same degree as the actual victim to be utterly dubious. — VagabondSpectre
I don't think we would get that deep into the fever dream, but you never know... — VagabondSpectre
we're not in fact representatives of our respective races — VagabondSpectre
Labour, of course, introduced a preference for preselecting women, and as a result has an equal distribution of gender. Without "dismissing 24 percent of their elected representatives". — Banno
Labour has women represented in leadership, while the Liberal party made an utter mess of not selecting the obvious candidate in their most recent leadership spill... of course, not because she was a woman, and despite her being the senior member of parliament and having far more experience than her competitors. — Banno
I'm not saying it's the cause. I was just using hate crimes to illustrate a point. Nevertherless, they are a manifestation of that same system in which racism and sexism exist, a system that relegates every individual to a group. — Merkwurdichliebe
Ever hear of "black lives matter", or "police lives matter"? — Merkwurdichliebe
I wonder how many Russians were saying that during the Bolshevik revolution. — Merkwurdichliebe
I agree. We are individual's, who, ideally, represent ourselves. Nevertheless, anyone who constitutionally identifies himself with a race, believes himself to be a representative of that racial demographic.
I cannot help but think that one of the most inferior assumptions an individual can make, is that he is defined by one or another. Racial identity is an indication of a primitive mind - 9r should I say: stupidity. — Merkwurdichliebe
tribalism — VagabondSpectre
Through sympathy we can suffer along side individual victims, but not to the same degree as their actual suffering (else we're over-reacting?)... — VagabondSpectre
In the early days that kind of thing never entered their mind. Once the new regime had a firm clamp on the levers of power (and demanded more for less) it was something they resorted to. In their minds it was wholly pragmatic and necessary... — VagabondSpectre
Sadly, defining and categorizing us all into demographic categories for the sake of appeal is almost necessary to be successful under our current incentive structures. And in so doing, we can't help but see "others" as the editorialized caricatures that our established mainlines feeds to us. — VagabondSpectre
Depends on the (supposed) injustice, but I don't believe there's any injustice here (obviously). — Terrapin Station
Is “contentment” little more than a drive to self-deprecation? I curse the “contented” and “passive” - they breath empty air and gorge on tasteless viands, their gluttony is of the void in order to avoid the human condition; that is to be human trying to be more than a human! — I like sushi
One of the outstanding characteristics of the privileged is their inherent inability to see their privilege. — Banno
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