this shows how equity maintains the status quo. — Banno
Sure. It was the "It is of no value" that bothered me. — Banno
My wife's disability and her advocacy linked me up to feminism and hence to gender issues, sexuality, institutionalisation, the plight of First Nations people and so on. — Banno
I specifically said culture. — DingoJones
Second, there no need to pick a country, as Im not talking about the countries laws. — DingoJones
Third, how do you know where Im getting my information? — DingoJones
You're trying to articulate to me about Muslim culture on a global scale to someone who has traveled and has been immersed in it. In other words, what you know or what you've seen in the media is totally different than what is in the real world. — Anaxagoras
Ok so we're back to culture and not laws even though media wise, Shari'ah Law is to blame for the killings of homosexuals. Ok so you're now saying that Muslim culture is inherently more aggressive towards homosexuals, atheists, etc? — Anaxagoras
Because your information is not academically based, nor is it true from a cultural standpoint and besides, your comment in reference to Muslim society is indicative of a layman's understanding of the Muslim faith. It's armchair scholarship at its best. You're trying to articulate to me about Muslim culture on a global scale to someone who has traveled and has been immersed in it. In other words, what you know or what you've seen in the media is totally different than what is in the real world.
Finally if I'm going to make an assumption how do I know your views are not coinciding with reality?
You have not one thing academic to substantiate your claim. Your dialectical propositions are not precursors to what is plausible. You need to substantiate this with evidence, not conjecture to convince me its truth. — Anaxagoras
What does, what Vagabond said, or what you said about Labour versus the Liberal party? — Terrapin Station
No more than you are saying that men are more capable than women.
If men and women are both capable of acting as representatives in an elected body such as parliament, then we would expect to see equal numbers of men and women.
But we do not.
So either women are not capable representatives, or there is some other extrinsic factor biased towards men.
Your response? — Banno
stop the biased favouritism of men — VagabondSpectre
If more women aren't making it to office because of a myriad of social obstacles placed before them, foisting a few more individual women into parliament solves nothing. — VagabondSpectre
I don't wish to discuss female-vs-male capabilities in the general sense (but we can if necessary), because whatever they may be, it is the merits of individual candidates that matter, not the merits of their gender. — VagabondSpectre
The US is just old fashioned.If men and women are both capable of acting as representatives in an elected body such as parliament, then we would expect to see equal numbers of men and women.
But we do not. — Banno
What if one of the main obstacles is a toxic masculine culture in parliaments and party rooms that discourages them from getting involved? Experience shows that a pretty reliable way to dissolve toxicly masculine cultures is to require them to have a significant proportion of women in their midst. That can be achieved by quotas. Once the quotas have done their job, the obstacle will be gone and the quotas will no longer be necessary.If more women aren't making it to office because of a myriad of social obstacles placed before them, foisting a few more individual women into parliament solves nothing. — VagabondSpectre
Ah, so we have grounds for agreement at least in that there is some bias. — Banno
Well, perhaps the opinions of the women so selected will assist in identifying the problems invovled. — Banno
a period of reverse bias leads to a new stability.
The middles aged middle class white males who dominate political processes may not be the best folk to judge issues of feminism, gender, race, and ability. — Banno
Fair enough. We were taking as our example the Australian Liberal Party, which faces a thrashing in a forthcoming election partly because of its entrenched misogyny. — Banno
The same number of women and men don't always apply for the same job, and companies should have the right to choose based on merit even if it doesn't create perfect gender parity in staff numbers.As such, merit objections to quotas contain the underlying assumption that women are not capable.. If women are capable, there is no objection to be made, on the grounds of capability, about them getting a position — TheWillowOfDarkness
Then you advocate accepting the existing bias. — Banno
It works at the individual level. SO for example one would focus on what a person with a disability is able to do, and remove barriers to the capability. Ramps instead of steps. A few extra boxes for the short guy. — Banno
This highlights the dangers of people using 'misogyny' as a synonym for 'sexism'. The two are very different, with only a small area of overlap. Far too often people use the word 'misogyny' when they mean 'sexism'.apart from the Muslim Brotherhood I assume few political parties are entrenched with misogynists. — ssu
What if one of the main obstacles is a toxic masculine culture in parliaments and party rooms that discourages them from getting involved? Experience shows that a pretty reliable way to dissolve toxicly masculine cultures is to require them to have a significant proportion of women in their midst. that can be achieved by quotas. Once the quotas have done their job, the obstacle will be gone and the quotas will no longer be necessary. — andrewk
In 1994 the Australian Labor Party introduced quotas for the proportion of women in winnable seats. It was met with strong internal resistance at the time, but some brave souls pushed it through. The result is that the party's culture has changed enormously, it has very strong female representation in parliament, most of its its most potent political operators are women, and its opponent - the strangely-named Liberal party - is now broadly perceived as being anti-women, which is an enormous electoral liability for them. — andrewk
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