• Geo
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    With the creation and advent of the Internet, humanity lives in two worlds.

    One world, virtually global, where most of the people like “brothers and sisters”. And the other world is real, where globalism is, of course, present, but in much smaller sizes and where visitors or immigrants, people with different skin color or other eye shape, cause alienation and hate from the local population. And now the real world is becoming even less global, as nationalist movements have lifted their heads in many countries and come to power. These two worlds cannot exist for a long time together in peace and harmony, they are doomed to collide. Of course, if it was possible all over the world to “isolate” all people older than 30 years old, then young people in the world could have a chance to build a truly global world just like a virtual one. After all, the older generation for the most part does not understand this call for globalism and for that they have their real arguments. And so they will do everything to destroy this globally virtual world.
    Of course, they made a blunder from the very beginning, because they did not realize all the consequences of this “phenomenon” called the Internet. After all, the Internet changes people, it changes entire nations, it makes the world the same, destroys national roots and bonds. And without his roots, brace, customs, a person ceases to be Russian or German, or Poles, or Japanese, he simply becomes a man from the planet Earth.

    Also, the free Internet is dangerous for the country as a whole and especially for its political elite. so the government gave the right, through the Internet, to brainwash its people as a matter of fact to anyone. Now any country can handle the brains of the people of the country of the enemy. Well, it can be compared, let’s say, if in the 60s in the Soviet Union, Americans would open their newspapers with radio channels in the USSR and brainwash the Soviet people. How quickly would communism be over. Or if, on the contrary, the Americans allowed the Soviet Union to open Soviet radio, newspapers and TV channels. How soon in America would the workers revolt against the capitalist usurpers.
    And for all its global nature, the virtual Internet is controlled by American corporations. Not that China or Russia, even Europe does not like that the Internet (and in fact the peoples of the countries) are controlled by companies like Facebook and Google, for example. European leaders and leaders of Internet giants have completely different interests and values, and they fight for the same voters. Even an Americans does not like the fact that their private companies control the network and have a huge influence on voters. And many liberals think that technology companies are their friends. How wrong they are, because first of all it is a business and especially after a company enters the stock market, its company is primarily concerned only with its own growth and growth of stocks. And most investors do not care how the company will achieve growth. Well, even if you believe that today’s Internet companies are friends of liberals, where are the guarantees that tomorrow they will not be headed by mercenary people who want to use the entire date of users collected by the company for their own purposes. But they have so many collection of data, that it is even scary to think about it today. With the help of phone sensors they can even understand when you are sitting on the toilet. Having so many data, companies and individuals can easily manipulate people including politicians. If these Internet giants are even suspicious in their home state(US), how long will they be allowed to collect data on populations from other countries by their governments? And most importantly, how long will governments still allow their people to be brainwashed and educate their young population, by strangers. After all, not only hostile countries and selfish people can psychologically influence the population over the internet, the Internet giants themselves also do this. They push into the masses the values that useful for their business.Those corporations are in favor of abandoning races and nationalities, They do this not for the sake of human love of kindness, but because they do understand that if the Internet is not global, then their profits will be greatly reduced. Therefore, for them, the globalization of the Internet is in the 1st place. Many of these companies are now diligently taking up the launch of satellites to cover the entire territory of the planet with free Internet. They do this not for the love of people, but for their own benefit and their own well-being.
    And it seems also that people and companies have forgotten that America is an “special” country, just like the USSR was, an experiment on globalism. And America, by virtue of its history, has advanced in terms of globalism, of course, much farther than the rest of the world, since in America within the country the division is no longer by nationality, but by race. And for nationalists coming to power in Europe, such a position is alien, since in Europe the division is still on the basis of nationality and not on race. If, for many white French, for example, white Germans are alien, and for white Germans, white French are alien, then what recognition of the black population or Arabs can we talk about in Europe in the near future. Unlike the United States in Europe there are not so many people with mixed blood and that means nationalism has good chances. Since people with mixed blood will vote far less for nationalists, for obvious reasons. Let Europe be an ally of the States at the moment, but their development perspective looks different. And there is a big chance that American liberal propaganda will become dangerous for Europe and they will have to cut it.
    5G also bears big problems, as the data gathering will become even larger and all information from personal carriers will move to the cloud and of course it will give a tremendous impetus to robotization and artificial intelligence. That is, the global Internet will become even more dangerous and provide even more opportunities for creating “evil”.

    Today the world is in time of global change.
    Every industrial revolution creates giant monopolies and a big gap between the rich and the poor.
    And always the consequences of technological revolutions result in the struggle of the majority to improve their rights and standard of living. This, for example, has already begun to occur in France.
    And in America itself, socialist ideas prevail in the minds of young people and the latest congressional elections are proof of this. And this is only the beginning, as inequality spread throughout the world. And if we add here already the quick accelerated replacement of human labor with the work of robotics, then the events in France will only increase with time and spread to other countries.
    Having an open and global Internet at this time is just nonsense and a danger to countries.
    Since there will be countries rivals or individuals or corporations, who using the Internet and processing the brains of the population, will interfere in normal historical processes for their own benefit.
    For example, I would be very surprised if Russia is not yet “working” with yellow vests in France and other nationalists from other countries.
    Let’s look objectively in the Russia will never be a part of European Union and in NATO, too. Since the country is huge and most importantly it is not a country that simply can be one of many countries in the Union. For example, Ukraine can easily be one of many, and Russia, due to its history and the size of a country, can only be in those alliances in which it is the Russian is the main one. After all, not only Putin Alpha male, the whole of Russia is Alpha. For Russia To be in the Union where she is not in the first roles is simply the loss of a part of the sovereignty of the country.
    And so, for example, the European Union and NATO go against the interests of Russia. Russia as a big and militarily strong country is in a good position when there are no big unions and every country is for itself. So now, for example, dwarfs like the Baltic countries and larger Poland have the audacity to blather towards Russia and teach Russians how to live and how to behave. But if there is no NATO and the Eurozone, then those small countries will even be afraid just to look in the direction of Russia.
    Large countries benefit only unions where they are on the first roles and in all other cases Unions are not profitable for them.
    But small and medium-sized countries Unions are beneficial because they allow them to communicate with large countries on an equal footing and even make their demands to big countries.
    This is by the way what Trump thinks that, due to its weight in the world, it is beneficial for the States to negotiate one on one and not have Unions. But he forgot that the States play the first role in almost all their alliances and unions, and this, on the contrary, gives them more power and influence in the world.
    And the open Internet is a weapon that big players have already begun to use to achieve their goals. And the only defense against this is the end of anonymity and the localization of the Internet among allied countries.
    Anyone who does not believe in the power of disinformation, agitation and propaganda on the masses, is just a stupid person.
    Let’s just admit that progress has galloped forward and the development of society has lagged far behind it, the society is not ready yet to live in a global world and will not be ready for a long time. And so it will be safer for everyone to end up with the global Internet.

    So the firewall is coming not only in China, for example, it is coming all over the world. Politicians realized the whole problem of open global Internet for their regimes and countries as a whole. And they will do everything to prevent the victory of the virtual global world. Already, the sharing of hardware and software has started when countries begin to order and buy hardware only from their allies. Soon the global Internet will also be divided into local among the allied countries. There is no other way yet
  • 0 thru 9
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    Of course, if it was possible all over the world to “isolate” all people older than 30 years old, then young people in the world could have a chance to build a truly global world just like a virtual one. After all, the older generation for the most part does not understand this call for globalism and for that they have their real arguments. And so they will do everything to destroy this globally virtual world.Geo
    :lol: Don’t trust anyone over 30! Unfortunately, this idea isn’t new. It’s far older than 30 years, so best not trust it. And of course young people today are all perfectly peaceful and in harmony with everyone and all of nature...
  • ArguingWAristotleTiff
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    And so it will be safer for everyone to end up with the global Internet.Geo

    Someone smarter than I will come along and say something much more profound but based upon the title of your thread and the quote above, you seem to have mixed feelings about the end of the internet.
    I am surrounded by people in the tech industry and the thought of hitting the big "Reset" button of the Internets/inter webs is something we toss around quite frequently. There are some BIG benefits that would come out of the technology loss like jobs, skills and printing presses. There would be a need to consult the elderly because they are the ones with the knowledge rather than the extra brain we all carry around in our phone. People would feel needed and useful and that is something that technology has stolen from our seniors and when we are headed to the baby boomers retiring, we are going to need to restore our respect in those with knowledge.
    It sounds somewhat peaceful but I would be heartbroken to lose all my friends I have made over the decades on the internet.
  • Geo
    37
    You didn't understand what I said. The world is changing so fast that people who are over 30 born and lived in another world than there is now. And they compare the old world with the new and many of them dislike the new world.
  • Geo
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    I think there's a small chance it Internet will disappear. I think it will be divided between Allied countries. And it will be more under control and probably not anonymous. Because anonymity is the road to impunity. Government need to control information that people consume. Because any information is a potential role model and behavior training.

    Let's take for example legit company like Netflix and some of their movies.
    House of cards And not so long ago a watch movie there about Flat Earth theory. And the movie actually very polite to people who believe in flat Earth.

    What's in common in those 2 movies?
    They both destroy people believe and trust in government.
    And then Americans blame Russians, When American companies making Content like this did more harm for the country then Russians.
    Maybe it's time to ask Netflix why they're shooting the movies that killing in people trust in government and law.
    They do it for profit or .....???
    Because they definitely not stupid they understand exactly what they doing.
  • ArguingWAristotleTiff
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    Because anonymity is the road to impunity.Geo

    Powerful words...a thought to ponder for sure.
  • whollyrolling
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    There is no such world as "virtually global". No one causes alienation and hate in a local population. Nationalism is not evil, neither has it come to power. Young people would build nonsense based on stupidity and a lack of experience, and globalism is just plain wrong. You can't "make" something the same as it is. No one is simply "a man from the planet earth" except fringe political fanatics who want everything solely on the grounds that they're intrinsically entitled to it, like Socrates.

    Internet is not intrinsically dangerous. Actions of people who seek to harm other people are dangerous. Brainwashing requires willing participants, whatever is happening under harsh political authority, threat of physical violence or incarceration is not brainwashing.

    Capitalists aren't usurping with the exception of money lenders, and even then there's a choice to go into debt or not, and there's a choice to purchase a product or not. Every time anything has gone seriously wrong in the modern world, it's been either communists, socialists or liberals at the forefront.

    The internet has always been under military control and observation. You're out of your mind of you think that the CIA is incapable of removing owners of major corporations or dismantling them by other means without even receiving any brunt of the blame within 20-40 years.

    The entire premise of education from the dawn of it until today has been a conspiracy, literally. The first educators promised to cure the social and political problems of the world by eradicating the poor and the commoner from any field requiring "higher knowledge". The purpose of education is to isolate the idiot masses and give them a sense of such vulnerability that they would comply with anything. We live under 3,000 year old tyranny, but it's not the tyranny fringe activists are pushing, they're actually the tyrants.

    People with compassionate natures manipulate others continually. All consciousness leads toward manipulation. Again, globalism is not a good thing. Any tendency toward it is motivated by evil so far. Hitler was a globalist, let that sink in. America is not advancing in globalism, America is advancing in isolation from an undeveloped and politically contrary world.

    No one abandons the identity of others for the sake of loving kindness.

    Okay, now for once you're right. The world is changing. The world has been changing for 14 billion years. It's still changing, and this is no surprise.

    There has only been one industrial revolution. The gap between rich and poor is skewed by matching the richest nations against those most impoverished. It is also skewed within nations by ignoring that the poor live in relatively wonderful conditions by comparison to years ago. It doesn't matter how many years ago, it's better now than it ever was in developed nations. I see homeless people with cell phones and people are living in abject poverty with a decent home and TV's and computers at their disposal. They don't have Lamborghinis, maybe that's the issue.

    You're obviously not qualified to talk about Russia. It's far more complicated than you imagine. Russia is militarily weak and vulnerable. The only strength Russia has at present is an ability to influence stupid people into thinking that mass immigration and socialism are good. Russia has always excelled at cultural subversion and propaganda. They are presently inflicting this on the US. It is the source of much of the bullshit.

    Poland has been waiting decades to talk back to Russia because Russia captured half of Poland while aligned with the Nazis during WW2.

    Suddenly you sound as though you've sided with the Russia and Germany of the late 30's and early 40's. Interesting.

    The reason Trump negotiates one on one is because doing anything else is a pussy move. Nations need to respect the US most crucially at present, when other allied nations are being pussies.

    You've jumped in the deep end and forgotten anything you've ever known about swimming. And there it ends...
  • Geo
    37
    Brainwashing requires willing participants, whatever is happening under harsh political authority, threat of physical violence or incarceration is not brainwashingwhollyrolling

    Any blogger is brainwashing his-her public.

    Nationalism is not evil, neither has it come to power.whollyrolling

    Nobody sad is evil

    No one is simply "a man from the planet earth"whollyrolling

    A man without roots is a a man from the planet earth. The internet destroys the roots and erases the difference between nationalities, it makes everyone the same
  • Geo
    37
    Internet is not intrinsically dangerous.Actions of people who seek to harm other people are dangerous.whollyrolling



    With the current laws, you can't punish the bad guys. The bad guys captured the internet.

    Brainwashing requires willing participants, whatever is happening under harsh political authority, threat of physical violence or incarceration is not brainwashing.whollyrolling

    Any blogger is brainwashing his-her public._106307941_group.jpg
  • Geo
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    Capitalists aren't usurping with the exception of money lenders, and even then there's a choice to go into debt or not, and there's a choice to purchase a product or not. Every time anything has gone seriously wrong in the modern world, it's been either communists, socialists or liberals at the forefront.whollyrolling

    This time may be different. Robotization and AI will lead to loss of human work. How can capitalism exist in a society where most of the unemployed, communism is better suited for such a society
  • whollyrolling
    551


    A man who identifies himself as something is still identified by his society, and the social identity is stronger than the self. No one intrinsically supersedes borders.
  • whollyrolling
    551


    The recipient of "brainwashing" brainwashes itself in weakness and vulnerability.
  • whollyrolling
    551


    AI doesn't exist and is very, very far off. Communism is never suitable for any society, neither is socialism. Look at the history of these and tell us how well it worked for the hundreds of millions of their victims.
  • Geo
    37
    No one intrinsically supersedes borders.whollyrolling

    Internet destroyed borders
  • Geo
    37
    how well it worked for the hundreds of millions of their victims.whollyrolling


    I'm just curious how did you get "hundreds of millions of their victims"?
  • BC
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    The world is changing so fast that people who are over 30 born and lived in another world than there is now. And they compare the old world with the new and many of them dislike the new world.Geo

    Not so fast. I'm 72. Unimaginably old to you, I suppose. But let me tell you... I've been using computers for the last 40 years and have used the internet since 1991. A lot of us old farts have stayed abreast of technology.

    You need to do a little recalibrating. The really big leaps were in the later part of the 19th century and mid 20th. Cell phones are nothing but a marriage of land line and radio technology--miniaturized of course. Computers have been crunching away for 70 years. Telegraphing messages around the world got underway around 150 years ago. Global capitalism has been shrinking the world a lot longer than the Internet has.

    Is the Internet amazing? Sure it's amazing. I love it. But let's not get carried away. High tech devices and systems are bent to serve commercial masters. Google has always been an advertising company (whatever else they were up to). Like young guys, us old guys like tech. We've liked tech longer than you've been alive twice over. Our fascination with technology didn't stop with CD players 40 years ago. We've updated regularly.

    The gadgets change, sure, and gadgets don't define reality. Human reality does not change very fast. That's why people over 30 (even over 40, 50, and 60) run the world and people under 30 do not.
  • whollyrolling
    551


    Then why are borders at the forefront of more minds than those of which they're not?
  • whollyrolling
    551


    Take a look at how many combined innocent deaths have occurred under socialist and communist rule over the last century. While you're at it, take a look at what grounds were required to send someone to prison, where they would inevitably die a long drawn out death due to starvation, sickness or strenuous labour the likes of which you can't imagine if you need to ask this question.
  • Geo
    37

    Let's count, how do you get hundreds of million.

    And why you think that communists always kill people without reason.

    Why Americans essentially destroyed Indians?
  • whollyrolling
    551


    Americans didn't destroy native Americans, disease accounted for much of the death toll, and much of it was accidental. There was a war for territory, which was commonplace from a few centuries ago back to the dawn of civilization. Why didn't you instead mention the hundreds of thousands of American lives sacrificed to end slavery? Why didn't you mention that slavery was commonplace in native American culture prior to Europeans setting foot here? Why didn't you mention that natives were living in continual war with each other prior to European settlement, and that lives were lost and territory was taken?

    I get hundreds of millions from recorded history. The death count in Europe during WW2 just due to the war effort was at least 20 million. Stallion was responsible for between 20-40 million innocent deaths. Chairman Mao and successors, add another 80-100 million. Hitler's extermination camps, add another 12 million. I'm not sure how many Castro oversaw. Venezuela isn't doing very well these days.

    The list goes on, there are more than just these deaths in Eastern Europe, and there are other countries not mentioned here where the state owns the means of production, look it up.

    Communism and socialism are not only terrible economic models, they're angels of death, they sweep across nations murdering countless innocent civilians. This is a figure of speech and by no means intended to remove accountability from the sociopathic leadership that holds power under these circumstances. It is a system which invites the greatest evil we've ever seen into the hearts of men.
  • Geo
    37
    There was a war for territorywhollyrolling

    And in the Soviet Union there was a war for ideology and why a war for ideology any worse than the war for the Territory, when the strong deprives the weak of his house.
  • I like sushi
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    I guess “racism” and “sexism” are old. Bring in “ageism” and see where get you! Haha!
  • Geo
    37
    The death count in Europe during WW2 just due to the war effort was at least 20 millionwhollyrolling

    And what is the fault of communism in the Second World War, except that the socialist Hitler hated it?
  • whollyrolling
    551


    I'm not talking about a war for ideology, I'm talking about ruthless, psychotic dictatorship. Even at its most egregious, America didn't ruthlessly slaughter people by the 10's of millions.
  • whollyrolling
    551


    Stalin was a worse enemy of the world than Hitler was, no one realized it at the time. He had killed far more people and his only intention during the war was to conquer Eastern Europe as a foothold for further aggression against Europe. Stalin made a pact, an alliance involving sharing Poland 50/50 with Germany. The only reason Russia eventually joined the allied forces was because Hitler was psychotic enough to attack it.

    If you don't think slaughtering 20-40 million people is a fault, then that's on you. It's not something that requires convincing.
  • Geo
    37
    I guess “racism” and “sexism” are oldI like sushi
    Sexism will regain strength with the next big war.
    And we're just on the verge of big racial wars. Any majority wants to remain a majority. And any minority, wants to become a majority and will do a lot for this. We are on the verge of change, the "white world" is gradually ending
  • whollyrolling
    551


    Nice racism there man. Explain, what's the "white world" and how is it going to end? Are you talking about the multicultural world that treats all people as equals and gives all people equal opportunities?
  • Geo
    37
    I'm not talking about a war for ideology, I'm talking about ruthless, psychotic dictatorship. Even at its most egregious, America didn't ruthlessly slaughter people by the 10's of millions.whollyrolling

    And what wars in which the Soviet Union took part were not ideological?
  • Geo
    37
    Why is racism if it's true and I'm not talking bad about other races
  • whollyrolling
    551


    Your motive is unclear and so is your question. You seem to be a troll.
  • I like sushi
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    Your motive is unclear and so is your question. You seem to be a troll. — whollyrolling

    I don’t necessarily think so just yet. There is certainly something to be said of the power of the internet; the mistake is thinking ANYONE understands it. The “older” generations appreciate dramatic change much more than anyone in their 20’s. That is just a fact. If you grew up with the internet you’ve no experential appreciation of what came before.

    It is interesting to look at how China tries to control the internet.
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