I am not sure what you mean. We do not see consciousness in a brain yet we know we are conscious. — Andrew4Handel
What about clinically dead patients who have full knowledge of what transpired during their intermission? — Shamshir
There is no such thing as a "presumed possibility."
Unless a thing is established as impossible...by definition, it is possible. — Frank Apisa
What do you consider credible evidence? It seems you are making a value judgement by using the word credible. — Andrew4Handel
I find it quite easy to imagine consciousness to be separate from the body based on preexistent phenomena.
For example it could be like CD which you can slot into different computers. Your mind could inhabit different bodies.
It could be like a radio receiving a signal.
It could be like the telephone or internet where you can communicate with someone but they are not actually in the device.
I think the link between mind and body does not entail complete dependence. — Andrew4Handel
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Unless a thing is established as impossible...by definition, it is possible. — Frank Apisa
Of course there is such a thing, and establishment is irrelevant except in relation to a demonstration. — S
That doesn't determine whether or not something is impossible, it only shows it. — S
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I have no interest in your senseless repetitions. If I were a moderator I would have been taking action against them long ago. — S
I have no interest in your senseless repetitions. If I were a moderator I would have been taking action against them long ago.
— S
All Frank Apisa said was that there are basically mathematical principles that no one can argue with.
If i say truth is not equal to A (hypothetical situation) then it would follow from the information given that any other variable other than A is a possibility.
"if something is not impossible then there is a chance it can happen even if it is unlikely.
This is basic math. — christian2017
As for the rest I guess I need to go back through and see what was said. — christian2017
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I have no interest in your senseless repetitions. If I were a moderator I would have begun to take action against them long ago. You sound like someone who has brain damage. — S
I see what your saying about presumed possibility. — christian2017
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I have no interest in your senseless repetitions. If I were a moderator I would have been taking action against them long ago. — S
All Frank Apisa said was that there are basically mathematical principles that no one can argue with.
If i say truth is not equal to A (hypothetical situation) then it would follow from the information given that any other variable other than A is a possibility.
"if something is not impossible then there is a chance it can happen even if it is unlikely.
This is basic math. — christian2017
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As for the rest I guess I need to go back through and see what was said. — christian2017
You should have done that to begin with. I don't know why people bother to quote other people if they don't address anything in the quote. It was crystal clear that I was objecting to his mindless and unhelpful repetition, a problem that he is known for, and for which he is perhaps the worst offender. The first thing he said in reply to me was literally a copy and paste of what he said previously. — S
I will continue to say it until you get it...
...or stop asserting things that defy it. — Frank Apisa
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I will continue to say it until you get it...
...or stop asserting things that defy it. — Frank Apisa
I will just continue to disregard what you mindlessly repeat, occasionally calling you out for it. — S
No, it's a judgement, but values have nothing to do with it. An example of credible evidence would be the science supporting the claim that Earth isn't flat. An example of incredible evidence would be some chump just pointing out that some people say some stuff about supposed extraordinary events which could easily be made up, and there being no way of knowing the claim to be true. — S
certain evidence based on what is essentially ad hominem about personal testimony — Andrew4Handel
There is no such thing as a "presumed possibility."
Unless a thing is established as impossible...by definition, it is possible. — Frank Apisa
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There is no such thing as a "presumed possibility."
Unless a thing is established as impossible...by definition, it is possible. — Frank Apisa
If something is not established as impossible (an establishment which would seem to itself be impossible except in the case of logical contradictions) it is, by definition, not possible, but possible merely logically and as far as we know. For something to be considered to be possible (on the basis that it is possible as far as we know) just is to presume that it is possible.
None of this means that we have any reason to be of the opinion that it really is possible, much less actual. — Janus
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As far as evidence is concerned - evidence concerning 'rebirth' or 'previous lives' is about the only kind of post-death evidence that is possible to obtain, because evidence of other realms of existence, even if they're real, is obviously not obtainable, save for that presented by first-person accounts of NDE's.
But in the case of rebirth, there is a source of evidence, namely, children who claim to remember their previous lives. This has been researched by interviews and cross-checking of such claims, which has produced fairly consistent body of data.
Typically these cases comprise apparent recollections by children who, soon after they learn to speak, begin to talk of their past-life identities and experiences. Often they manifest as the child rejecting the family they've been born into, i.e. 'you're not my family, my family name is [x] and I live in [y]' and so forth. These apparent memories gradually fade and are usually lost altogether by the age of 8. They are also much more likely (but not exclusively) to be found in cultural traditions that are accepting of previous lives (such as Indian and Chinese cultures).
The reason this presents the opportunity for empirical analysis is that such purported previous life memories can then be validated against documentary and other records, which is what the researchers of this field of study have done. The general kinds of trends are as follows:
* talk about alleged past-life memories begins at the age of 2-5 and ceases at the age of 5-8;
* alleged memories are narrated repeatedly and with strong emphasis;
* social roles and professional occupations of the alleged previous personality are acted out in play;
* mention of the cause of (often violent) death in previous life;
* exhibition of emotional conflict due to ambiguity of family or gender;
* display of unlearned skills (including foreign language skills) as well as propositional knowledge (of names, places, persons, etc.) not plausibly acquired in the present life;
* unusual behaviour and idiosyncratic traits corresponding to the previous personality such as phobias, aversions, obsessions, and penchants;
* birthmarks, differing in etiological features such as size, shape and colour from conventional birthmarks and other relevant birth anomalies, sometimes significantly corresponding to wounds involved in the death of the previous personality.
Caveat: the matter is subject to strong cultural taboos in Western society, for obvious reasons - such beliefs having been declared anathema in the early Christian church and also challenging current scientific understanding of the nature of mind.
As one of the best-known researchers in the field noted 'in the West, people ask me, "why do you study these stories? Everyone knows they must be made up." In the East, people ask me, "why do you study these stories? Everyone knows they happen all the time". — Wayfarer
How many of those supposed "studies" have been done...and by how many researchers? — Frank Apisa
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