Oh no, I dread to think what that would be like... If only there were some kind of Internet forum where that happened literally all the time... It could act as a warning to avoid such a horror at all costs! — Isaac
The point is that no purported T1 can be altogether without change — Janus
The point is that there is no definite limit on any span; — Janus
You claim that there can be no "same thing" from T1 to T2. But if T1 is of arbitrary span then, within that span, of course there can be. Your argument depends on the reification of a serial or linear model of mathematically determinate time. — Janus
What in hell's Creation do I mean? I mean what I don't mean to mean. :scream: — Merkwurdichliebe
Your argument depends on the reification of a serial or linear model of mathematically determinate time. — Janus
It simply depends on the fact that there is change. — Terrapin Station
If there is something that changes then there must also be something that remains the same. — Janus
The past is the past in relation to the present, but remains as the present in relation to itself. — Shamshir
Say that only a single electron exists. It ceases to exist and only a single proton exists. That's a change. What remained the same? — Terrapin Station
Too bad.I read that a few times, but I can't make any sense of it. — Terrapin Station
Think of a man walking. He changes, because his position changes; but his position is not determined in relation to himself, as he is always centered on himself.The past is changes that happened. I don't understand "but remains" or "as the present in relation to itself"?? — Terrapin Station
Think of a man walking. He changes, because his position changes; but his position is not determined in relation to himself, as he is always centered on himself. — Shamshir
It's one reason: relation.Someone walking changes for many reasons, including both relations of bodily position--legs change distance relative to each other, knees bend, etc., and relative to things around the person. There's a lot more going on than that, but understandably, we need to grossly simplify this and leave a bunch of stuff out. — Terrapin Station
It's one reason: relation. — Shamshir
So, according to you there is nothing that distinguishes you from any other entity across the span of your life? In fact there is no you at all that has existed over that time? — Janus
In fact there are no persistent entities at all — Janus
since everything is nothing but change? — Janus
It's not that there's nothing but change. It's just that nothing is identical as changes occur. — Terrapin Station
So, now you say there is a "you" across time, — Janus
I can be same me across time without having to remain absolutely the same across time. — Janus
there is an abstract aspect to reality as well, if there are abstract concepts — TheGreatArcanum
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