Like many other properties beauty is identified and re-identified in many different places. It has no location like an object, nor does it exist in the eye or brain of the observer. Beauty wouldn't exist without the experience, nor would it be experienced without objects or events possessing the property which causes the experience. This opens for the possibility that objects or events can possess beauty as a property without necessarily being experienced as beautiful. It could take a while, or some knowledge, before one discovers it.Is beauty in the object or in the eye of the observer? . . . — Benjamin Dovano
The visual centers of the brain are responsible for both our appreciation of beauty, mathematics, and our tool making capacity as well because its all based on pattern matching. — wuliheron
Beauty is an emergent phenomenon which next generation computers will soon be capable of leveraging beyond your wildest imagination — wuliheron
If there were no observers, would it still be beautiful? Well, who would be there to judge? — intrapersona
but the beauty is still there, regardless of the observer.
Beauty is eternal as where the observer is not, it lives a limited amount of time. — Benjamin Dovano
We are making it too EGO-centristic - stating that if there is no observer then beauty doesn't exist - this is a very very vain statement.
It makes us very self-important ( without me or my act of observation that which is being observed does not exist - REALLY?) — Benjamin Dovano
ego-centrism is about someone trying to be better than someone else or something else or excessively self-concerned. — intrapersona
How can you prove that? You are using your mind to percieve beauty, it is a construct of the mind. Even if it DID exist objectively, you could never prove it existed... just like you could never prove an objective set of morals existed. — intrapersona
That is unsubstantiated claim, you have no evidence for it. Akin to saying something like God exists without proof. — intrapersona
Some aspects may be seen in the eye of the beholder while others may be in the object if they are shared across various groups of people. — ralfy
All you can prove is that you perceive beauty from your brain thanks to descartes infallible cogito ergo sum. — intrapersona
Assuming they can create self-awareness to perceive the beauty. That still is an assumption.
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Then a dog walks into the gallery, sniffs them both, and finds the second to hold vastly more aesthetic interest. — hypericin
Consider the case of two paintings hanging in a gallery. One is the Mona Lisa; the other is simply a canvas randomly smeared with feces and vomit. A man walks into the gallery, finds the first pleasing, and recoils in disgust from the second. Then a dog walks into the gallery, sniffs them both, and finds the second to hold vastly more aesthetic interest.
Beauty is *both* in the object and in the eye of the observer. That is because it is a relation, between the properties of an object and the nature and tastes of the observer. — hypericin
so like if you enjoy the object 30% AND the object enjoys you back 40% - you have 70% beauty ? — Benjamin Dovano
If beauty is inherent in nature, how do you account for individual taste?
You understand that symmetry is just a surrogate for genetic fitness. So what then is inherently special about symmetry? If there were a unsymmetrical being capable of appraising beauty, it would undoubtedly find it's own brand of asymmetry beautiful.
Are there supposed to be fractal dragon equations inherent in the shit-stained canvas? — hypericin
What is the material substratum for beauty? — hypericin
Beauty is intrinsic to nature and doesn't require consciousness to appreciate. For example, every classic work of art and music are based on fractal dragon equations. Symmetry is important and, for example, an animal's ability to detect bilateral symmetry is a way for them to assess the genetic fitness of potential mates. Hence, the reason even the smallest amongst us can appreciate beauty and music doth have charms to sooth the savage beast. — wuliheron
Beauty can't exist without an experiencer to experience it. Art, music and fractal dragon equations are all just data in the great objective whatever. — intrapersona
Awareness and consciousness are not the same things. We might not believe a dog is conscious in any human sense of the word, but certainly they are aware and have their own standards for beauty which can be considered merely an appreciation for symmetry. A healthy dog, for example, has better bilateral symmetry making them a more attractive mate. — wuliheron
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