If I spend $1000 one year on illegal drugs and 3% of that money ends up in the hands of mexican cartels or Al Qaeda (and ignoring the fact that if it was legal, then that would not be the case), do I need to justify my contribution of $30 to global terrorism? Surely my use of plastic water bottles is a more major moral failing? — ZhouBoTong
And perhaps you might consult your larger community on how they feel about your engagement with illegal drug infrastructure.Depending on my experience, I might think it the greater morality to shoot you - after all, they merely meet a need, but you are the problem. — tim wood
Depending on my experience, I might think it the greater morality to shoot you — tim wood
Seriously: can you offer some sort of reasoning behind your claim? Please explain how killing someone with a gun is more moral than their using illegal drugs? — Pattern-chaser
I didn't say it was. It might help if you could read and understand English — tim wood
If I spend $1000 one year on illegal drugs and 3% of that money ends up in the hands of mexican cartels or Al Qaeda (and ignoring the fact that if it was legal, then that would not be the case), do I need to justify my contribution of $30 to global terrorism? Surely my use of plastic water bottles is a more major moral failing?
— ZhouBoTong
And perhaps you might consult your larger community on how they feel about your engagement with illegal drug infrastructure.Depending on my experience, I might think it the greater morality to shoot you - after all, they merely meet a need, but you are the problem.
— tim wood — ZhouBoTong
I might think it the greater morality to shoot you — tim wood
Care to explain how your response here DOES NOT suggest that in some cases (at least) it is more moral to shoot someone than to use drugs? As far as I can tell, it does not even need to be implied. It is fairly directly included -
I might think it the greater morality to shoot you — tim wood — ZhouBoTong
Proposition: It is not immoral to break the law. In support, Zhou, Pattern-chaser, et al. All yours. — tim wood
I should like at this point to disqualify any notion of "personal" morality. Were there to be such a thing, then there is potentially moral justification for anything at all. And if that be the case, morality itself disappears. Agree? — tim wood
do you accept that there always already exists a moral obligation to obey the law as law? — tim wood
you suppose that in breaking a law, its status as law is annihilated as if it never existed. Or alternatively you suppose that law as law is not in any way morally binding on you. — tim wood
Are all laws good and for the good? — tim wood
the only way out is to deny that there is any moral obligation to obey law; that any obligation is established by each law, law by law. — tim wood
Do you understand English? The first clause, "Depending on my experience," did you read that? If you did you clearly did not understand it. Try this: "Depending on my experience [playing golf - if that were our topic], I might get a hole-in-one." I do not play golf. Get it? It's a hypothetical. — tim wood
And then you responded,If I spend $1000 one year on illegal drugs and 3% of that money ends up in the hands of mexican cartels or Al Qaeda (and ignoring the fact that if it was legal, then that would not be the case), do I need to justify my contribution of $30 to global terrorism? Surely my use of plastic water bottles is a more major moral failing? — ZhouBoTong
Depending on my experience, I might think it the greater morality to shoot you - after all, they merely meet a need, but you are the problem. — ZhouBoTong
I thought that, but it's nice when someone else does too. :wink: :up:
Some people fall back on insults when their position is challenged. Sad. — Pattern-chaser
To be moral is to accept being a member of a community — tim wood
Is that what your morality is, such as you're moral, what someone tells you to think or do? — tim wood
Time for you to define morality/immorality. — tim wood
I buy that morality is mainly a matter of reason. — tim wood
Does knowing the right from the wrong impose any obligation? — tim wood
If you think your actions are moral because you feel good about them... — tim wood
It is reason that identifies and determines. Emotions/feelings can be a check, but not a good check and sometimes a wrong check. — tim wood
Emotions and feelings play a large part in determining what is right and wrong, — Pattern-chaser
If you think your actions are moral because you feel good about them...
— tim wood
Straw man. No-one said this. Tawdry. :vomit: — Pattern-chaser
????? — tim wood
Incoherence gets the penultimate word. — tim wood
If you argue that it's not immoral to break the law by taking illegal drugs, then how can you argue against someone who would hold it moral to prevent you from breaking the law? — tim wood
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