You and others seem to alccuse me of repeating myself. — Unseen
I've pointed out (I repeat) that science SHOWS that the real action goes on temporally before the news gets to consciousness. — Unseen
Refute that fact [^above quote^] and show how the conscious mind is actually in control of the brain before the brain knows what it's doing. — Unseen
I went farther, true, by following the logic. — Unseen
If you're not convinced... — Unseen
So, why are we conscious? In addition to humans, evolution also produced plants, and while plants can react to their environment in stimulus/response fashion, there’s no indication whatsoever that plants are aware of themselves as beings. — Unseen
Science shows us that consciousness is always temporally behind the times and experiments show that the rest-of-the-mind has made some decisions before the consciousness thinks it has made it. — Unseen
Hang your hat on someday you'll be right if you like. — Unseen
If you're not convinced, tell me what WOULD convince you that the consciousness is simply a passive observer of goings on over which it has no control? — Unseen
I don't think we can have much more than a layperson's analysis of consciousness. I think it's probably a so-called "primitive" (primary, unanalyzable concept, known directly and in no other way). — Unseen
But you have already dismissed science and philosophical analysis as suitable tools, and your entire pattern of posts in this thread consists in repeating the same primitive slogans over and over again, so I am not holding my breath. — SophistiCat
Why? Because consciousness is the source of everything, and it's what unifies everything. There, I just gave you what will someday be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. :gasp: — Sam26
There's no evidence whatsoever that consciousness can do anything — Unseen
Consciousness can manifest itself in a variety of ways, one way is through a body of some kind. Moreover, there are different levels of consciousness, and at some levels very little can be done, at other levels things can be done that are beyond your imagination. Essentially when we refer to consciousness we're talking about a mind or minds. — Sam26
Science shows us that consciousness is always temporally behind the times — Unseen
and experiments show that the brain has made the decision before the consciousness thinks it has made it. — Unseen
It follows from those things that the consciousness is merely an observer of brain activities. — Unseen
I don't think we can have much more than a layperson's analysis of consciousness. I think it's probably a so-called "primitive" (primary, unanalyzable concept, known directly and in no other way). — Unseen
I have given you the science that shows that what is present in the consciousness is old news, having been processed in the brain a short time earlier. — Unseen
How can something immaterial do anything — Unseen
what is consciousness — BrianW
:razz: Trick question! :smile: Philosophers since Hume, and probably long before, have struggled with this one, as you surely know. :naughty: :wink: — Pattern-chaser
I have defined consciousness for my purpose as being in the state of having experiences. — Unseen
To be conscious is to be experiencing something... — Unseen
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