I told you back in the days of Saddam Hussein, that the NEXT skirmish that breaks out, the USA will not respond to. That we have had enough and need to pick up our marbles and go home. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
My argument is more or less that the function of victory is not a single variable function where the input of said function is the technological ability to to kill.
I have two lovely books, if that be our preference, titled "150 questions for a Guerrilla", where a General Alberto Bayo -- who helped train Che, though I'm ignorant on the specifics of that -- lays out some basics of Guerrilla warfare for a rank-and-filer, and "FM 31-21" -- an old field manual written by the Army on how to conduct and support (and therefore reverse engineered to combat) guerrilla warfare. Not that this guarantees any sort of victory. But it shows that I'm at least not alone in the opinion that military victory is not solely a function of technological capacity to kill.
Is this what we are disagreeing over? Or are we just disagreeing over the particular example I used? — Moliere
I still don't know how to delete a post. Hit the wrong button. — Cavacava
There seems to be a left leaning portion of society that condemns guns on the basis of the actions of a few lunatics. — Cavacava
In both cases we are judging the whole on the basis of the irrational actions of a minority of participants. — Cavacava
While it is true that stress effects everyone, not everyone becomes "reckless" just because they are an armed citizen. I am not suggesting that everyone is capable of such judgement calls nor am I suggesting that innocent bystanders cannot be at risk but there is a risk ratio to consider.All people are reckless under stress. Stress happens. Therefore people carrying guns are dangerous to me. Guns need to be banned and then those who keep them will be criminals we can put in jail before they kill somebody. — Landru Guide Us
That is a very thought provoking statement. I think in some ways the political correctness that was ushered into society to show respect, encouraging politeness, has in a way allowed for people to feel offended by anything that goes against their own thoughts.I wonder about how 'polite' society is possible today, we seem to be moving too fast to allow it. — Cavacava
People did occasionally get murdered in the parks--maybe 1, 2 or 3 per decade. One morning (1:30 a.m {+/-) I was sitting on my perch on a rail fence waiting for guys to saunter by. A young guy joined me on the rail. We chatted a bit, and among other things he told me he had a gun on him. I wasn't happy about it, but there was nothing much I could do or say at that point that would decrease any risk to life or limb. Eventually he moved on, and there were no murders there that night. — Bitter Crank
I was mugged on a downtown street by a knife wielding drugged out zombie around 11:30 p.m — Bitter Crank
Supposing that early morning in the park I had a gun handy and pulled it out, telling the guy to go back the way he came. Having done that, I would know that this now angry person might be waiting for me when I decided to leave the park (only one way out) and stepped onto the sidewalk under bright street lights. Bang bang, maybe. Dead crank. — Bitter Crank
How many innocent lives do you think one armed attacker could take, in a public place such as a supermarket, if 40 out of 100 private citizens are armed? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Carrying a firearm comes with a great deal of responsibility and judgement calls that sometimes have to be made in a 'split second' and considering the use of a firearm is never an easy one. Yes, some become reckless when stress arrives in a life and death situation but others are capable of channeling that stress into a heightened awareness of what is going on and make those split second decisions and it does save lives, sometimes without firing a shot. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
A while back our US Representative for Arizona, Mrs.Gabby Giffords, was speaking at a local supermarket in her state where it is legal to carry a concealed firearm without a permit, when these events played out.
Reading this account illustrates the responsibility that actually has to be applied. "Pray you never have to use it, but be prepared to use it if you have to." — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I'm not sure why you haven't addressed any of my comments, by the way. — Sapientia
I am sorry, Sapientia. Please don't take it personally, as it is not intended that way. I will try to answer you now. Which post did you want me to start with? The first one or the last one? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
--SapientiaWhether or not the objection is based on the actions of a minority of participants becomes far less relevant in light of both the number and frequency of occurrences and the significance of the detrimental consequences.
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