When I put myself in God’s shoes, I can’t quite see a better design for the universe than the one we have. — Devans99
A better design is possible. We can think of heaven can't we? Yoi'd have to prove that heaven is impossible. Can you do that? I'd like to know. Thanks. — TheMadFool
Can't be happy with people. Can't be happy without people. Therefore heaven (as commonly defined) is technically not possible.
Putting myself in God's shoes for a second; heaven is tricky. How exactly do you implement the transmigration of the soul for example? How do you ensure a perfect world for all the different types of beings in the universe? So maybe do something simpler first (like the circular time thing I mentioned if that's possible) and then have a long think about if anything better is possible, IE a retrofit of heaven and hell at a later stage. — Devans99
Would you agree with me that the average person in 2019 CE is living a better life than one in 2019 BCE? You would right? This is because humans have this vision of utopia/heaven if you will. It was, is, and will be a guide to all human planning. Its success is debatable but in very general terms it is being achieved — TheMadFool
If you believe God in the realistic sense, please throw away the bible and unname God so that we can define creator scientifically, or try. — Schzophr
I imagine there was the original species or species selection; this is the only realistic God I believe in. — Schzophr
Yes there may be systems like heaven and hell - it seems logical - but God is outweighed by science! — Schzophr
I would agree with that. Putting myself in God's shoes again, I would think that God would expect all intelligent civilisations to strive for and mostly achieve utopia with time, so maybe he would think heaven is not a requirement?
I do not believe God is omnipotent or omniscient. I have a more realistic view of God as a being that is not magical and has to abide by common sense laws. I believe for example that it is probable that God used some sort of device like a gravity bomb to cause the Big Bang. It should all be explainable in terms of science and logic IMO without the need to introduce unscientific concepts like omnipotent or omniscient — Devans99
Omnipotence and omniscience aren't supernatural concepts. If x can create a universe then surely, even if only in a relative sense, x must be in possession of vast knowledge and power. — TheMadFool
Also, if mere humans can imagine utopia/heaven and work towards it despite severe constraints then how is it that God, able to create entire universes, can't do it? What limits God, makes him incapable of creating a paradise? — TheMadFool
I can’t quite see a better design for the universe than the one we have. — Devans99
I think perfection of lifestyle (maximum pleasure in the broadest sense of the word) is something that all beings including God would naturally be interested in. So the concept of a perfect place (heaven) might fall out of consideration of that. So I'd imagine God will have thought of heaven but not seen any obvious way to achieve it apart from the long road of evolution leading to intelligence and advanced civilisations leading eventually to utopian societies. — Devans99
This is akin to the problem of the Loch Ness monster. The idea is that if there's a monster, then there must be more than one (else the monster is approaching his 1,000th birthday!). I.e., there must have been a momma and poppa monster, and no doubt monster siblings and likely cousins, & etc.I think God is more likely a single creature: — Devans99
All creatures share a similar kind of intelligence; that would be intelligence.My belief is that man, the higher animals, any future AI, aliens and God all share a basically similar kind of intelligence. — Devans99
And so with your creature. But the real problem with all of your posts - most of them, anyway - is that you fail to acknowledge your real problem, that of origins. Let's for the sake of argument suppose there really is a fourteen headed dragon who created the universe and all and everything in it, and that the dragon has any power you care to allow it. There's still the question of where it came from, & etc. — tim wood
Man and a cornstalk? Similar kind of intelligence. — Shamshir
Then you're saying God was the first species and it moderates the later species; since when did the child not have greater potential? This is improbable. It's likely there was the first event, and it came in multiples, or multiple species were born, perhaps of the forces which govern afterlife. — Schzophr
And I said plants have a similar intelligence to man, as all intelligent lifeforms do, despite a difference in faculties.I said the higher animals have a similar intelligence to man. Plants only have a very limited form of intelligence. — Devans99
Those aren't signs of intelligence. Those are human character traits.Signs of intelligence include communication, society, technology, none of which plants demonstrate. — Devans99
:up:I think it is actually hard to segregate the animals; even seemingly simple animals like ants are self aware (they pass the mirror test) so I think we have to show respect for all animals small and high. — Devans99
You don't need an ideal world. Sungazing shows that people possess a latent form of photosynthesis.In an ideal world, humans would be capable of photosynthesis; we could take our energy from the sun directly. Maybe our skin can be genetically reengineered to be solar panels? — Devans99
I am not sure what to say when you claim plants have similar intelligence to man. Signs of intelligence include communication, society, technology, none of which plants demonstrate. — Devans99
No? Neither Jesus nor Moses nor Ezra nor Daniel nor Muhammad, to claim a few, could or claim that they could read God's mind.ANYONE who accepts that there is a GOD can read the GOD's mind.
It will tell them exactly what they want to hear. — Frank Apisa
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ANYONE who accepts that there is a GOD can read the GOD's mind.
It will tell them exactly what they want to hear. — Frank Apisa
No? Neither Jesus nor Moses nor Ezra nor Daniel nor Muhammad, to claim a few, could or claim that they could read God's mind.
And their stories all undergo surprise after surprise. — Shamshir
When the people in question are Abrahamic prophets who dispute your claim in its entirety, it's you who should care.Who gives a rat's ass about what people "claim." — Frank Apisa
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Who gives a rat's ass about what people "claim." — Frank Apisa
When the people in question are Abrahamic prophets who dispute your claim in its entirety, it's you who should care. — Shamshir
↪Frank Apisa
It's not delirium, genius. They argued with God's intermediaries against God's intentions.
Intentions that lead to the wiping of civilisations.
Moses never wanted the Exodus, neither did Jesus want to be crucified. — Shamshir
ANYONE who accepts that there is a GOD can read the GOD's mind. — Frank Apisa
1 Then the angel that had been sent to me, whose name was Uriel, answered 2 and said to me, "Your understanding has utterly failed regarding this world, and do you think you can comprehend the way of the Most High?" 3 Then I said, "Yes, my lord." And he replied to me, "I have been sent to show you three ways, and to put before you three problems. 4 If you can solve one of them for me, then I will show you the way you desire to see, and will teach you why the heart is evil." 5 I said, "Speak, my lord." And he said to me, "Go, weigh for me the weight of fire, or measure for me a blast of wind, or call back for me the day that is past." 6 I answered and said, "Who of those that have been born can do that, that you should ask me about such things?"
It will tell them exactly what they want to hear. — Frank Apisa
13 But Moses said, “Pardon your servant, Lord. Please send someone else.”
14 Then the Lord’s anger burned against Moses
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ANYONE who accepts that there is a GOD can read the GOD's mind. — Frank Apisa
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1 Then the angel that had been sent to me, whose name was Uriel, answered 2 and said to me, "Your understanding has utterly failed regarding this world, and do you think you can comprehend the way of the Most High?" 3 Then I said, "Yes, my lord." And he replied to me, "I have been sent to show you three ways, and to put before you three problems. 4 If you can solve one of them for me, then I will show you the way you desire to see, and will teach you why the heart is evil." 5 I said, "Speak, my lord." And he said to me, "Go, weigh for me the weight of fire, or measure for me a blast of wind, or call back for me the day that is past." 6 I answered and said, "Who of those that have been born can do that, that you should ask me about such things?"
It will tell them exactly what they want to hear. — Frank Apisa
Exodus 4
13 But Moses said, “Pardon your servant, Lord. Please send someone else.”
14 Then the Lord’s anger burned against Moses
You want to go over that again? :clap: — Shamshir
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