The mantras of ‘making it in America’ or ‘the land of hopes and dreams’ perhaps plays into people feeling falls harder than they should and abandonment when they see such inclusivity preached? — I like sushi
The cultures are inherently different. — I like sushi
Guns are just for killing people. — Pattern-chaser
Except they're not. They're for hunting wildlife and firearms displays and shooting competitions too. — Shamshir
So hunting with a gun is unusual despite there being Hunting Rifles? Hmm.Those are unusual uses of guns — Pattern-chaser
So competitive archery and javelin throwing are about killing people, right?firearms displays and shooting competitions" are just demonstrations of how they could be used to kill people. — Pattern-chaser
Full stop.the primary point: guns are for shooting — Pattern-chaser
Because something gets militarised it's suddenly only for killing people, is that it? — Shamshir
You being from England, may have heard of Walter Arnold who got fined for driving at 8 mph.When the empirical evidence confirms that this is so, then yes. Guns are used by people to kill people. That is their primary function, as verified empirically. — Pattern-chaser
So how come shootings aren't due to careless wielding of firearms? — Shamshir
All I'm hearing are excuses on how guns hold all the responsibility and humans hold none. — Shamshir
No, authorities don't constitute it's due to high speed, but due to careless driving. — Shamshir
Of course, not only those - but all of them, as shooters care less for the lives of those they intend to shoot, hence they are careless.But they are. ... The ones that aren't deliberate, of course. — Pattern-chaser
Give your dog a gun and tell me the death toll.Guns don't kill people, people kill people? It's a tired old cliche, true as far as it goes, but incomplete and dismissive of the real world. — Pattern-chaser
There is nothing that can't be anything but a weapon.Those potential weapons that have no other use but as weapons — Pattern-chaser
See, I've never heard of someone wanting to not kill someone, but killing him anyway, much as I've never heard of someone who wanted pizza but got salad instead.And since we cannot control our deadly urges, but we want to — Pattern-chaser
Sure, less guns equates to less shootings. But are the shootings the issue or the homicides?That is the rationale behind banning guns, and it's what America must do if shootings are to be minimised. — Pattern-chaser
My country has a low gun crime toll and yet is proportionally worse in every aspect of the justice department. When every house legally possessed firearms, crime was at an all time low.Or don't bother, if you're happy with the level of gun crime in your country? — Pattern-chaser
The road conditions never permit high speed, because it reduces reaction time and crashes happen at the last second.Driving at high speed when the road conditions don't permit it is careless driving. It's not one or the other; one is (sometimes) the other. — Pattern-chaser
Like I've explicitly told you, with or without guns, people will kill and not less. — Shamshir
My country has a low gun crime toll and yet is proportionally worse in every aspect of the justice department. — Shamshir
The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.
In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures. — USA Today"
Germany has four times as many guns per 100 people than the UK (20+ compared to 5 per 100), yet homicide rats in the UK are 44% greater. — I like sushi
So, do you disagree it's people that kill people? — Shamshir
Go ahead, remove the guns and watch people go back to swinging pipes and bats and knives; they'll die just as often. — Shamshir
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