What sort of divinity do you think Nietzsche believed in? — frank
The anti-biotics of the world are truly amazing. But apparently they need bacteria to provide them with something to overcome. So does this argue for or against streptococcus? — fdrake
I could pick on some of your examples, but that would be a side track. — frank
But wait, what was your point? — frank
They love him too. He's badass. — frank
"Ere (Sauron's) spirit left its dark house, Luthien came to him and that he should be stripped of his raiment of flesh, and his ghost sent quaking back to Morgoth; and she said 'There everlastingly thy naked self shall endure the torment of his scorn, pierced by his eyes, unless thou yield to me the mastery of thy tower.' — The Threat of Luthien
If you love life, you love Sauron. — frank
Sauron was become now a sorcerer of dreadful power, master of shadows and of phantoms, foul in wisdom, cruel in strength, misshaping what he touched, twisting what he ruled, lord of werewolves; his dominion was torment.
But the Elves were not so lightly to be caught. As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger they were aware of him; and they knew him, and perceived that he would be master of them, and of an that they wrought. Then in anger and fear they took off their rings. But he, finding that he was betrayed and that the Elves were not deceived, was filled with wrath; and he came against them with open war, demanding that all the rings should be delivered to him, since the Elven-smiths could not have attained to their making without his lore and counsel. But the Elves fled from him; and three of their rings they saved, and bore them away, and hid them.
“Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shriveled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye”
If you love the free people of Middle Earth, you fucking hate Sauron. — fdrake
Rebellion originated with the Vala Melkor (as Morgoth was called before he turned to darkness). According to a story meant as a parable of events beyond Elvish comprehension,[11] Eru let his spirit-children perform a great Music, the Music of the Ainur, developing a theme revealed by Eru himself. For a while the cosmic choir made wondrous music, but then Melkor tried to increase his own glory by weaving into his song thoughts and ideas that were not in accordance with the original theme. "Straightway discord arose around him, and many that sang nigh him grew despondent ... but some began to attune their music to his rather than to the thought which they had at first."[12]
The discord Melkor created would have dire consequences, as this singing was a kind of template for the world: "The evils of the world were not at first in the great Theme, but entered with the discords of Melkor."[13] However, "Sauron was not a beginner of discord; and he probably knew more of the Music than did Melkor, whose mind had always been filled with his own plans and devices."[14] Apparently Sauron was not even one of the spirits that immediately began to attune their music to that of Melkor, since it is noted elsewhere that his fall occurred later (see below).
The cosmic Music now represented the conflict between good and evil. Finally, Eru abruptly brought the Song of Creation to an end. To show the spirits, faithful or otherwise, what they had done, Eru gave independent being to the now-marred Music. This resulted in the manifestation of the material World, Eä, where the drama of good and evil would play out and be resolved. — Wikipedia
'd be drinking wine from Southfarthing if it wasn't for all these genocidal skeletons on dead horses. — fdrake
So you can't accept Sauron even though you know the position he holds in the world that you love. Therefore, your argument comes down to a giant wad of emotion, and my point stands: there is no coherent logical argument against the proposition (in or around the OP.) — frank
People didn't fight Sauron because of some symbolic opposition between good and evil. People fought Sauron because he was a tyrant ruining their lives. — fdrake
Tim. What did you mean by this:
And I have news for you. Nietzsche was far too smart to be Godless.
— tim wood — frank
Nietzsche is just there to invalidate any moral argument by way of the godless universe. — frank
I was wondering if the universe is actually "godless". — christine
I'm pretty sure I meant what I wrote. I don't see anything there that looks confusing. — tim wood
um sorry to interject but this convo makes me think of the post I sent just a few minutes ago. Please pardon me but I was wondering if the universe is actually "godless". You see I think it is but I also think it isn't and I haven't read Tolkien or Nietzche in over 20 years but I have read Camus and sometimes I agree with existentialism. Thanks for letting me post. — christine
I don't know what this means, in practical terms, even with the title's laissez faire.By "strong," I mean creative individuals with ambition and determination. By rewarding such individuals with wealth and power, society in general becomes leaner and fitter. — frank
Well, part of what makes us great is that we are also empathetic creatures. We are social mammals that have always taken care of each other - to vary degrees and to varying degrees of what we consider us - and this has always been part of what made us the apex carnivores on the planet. So this second quote is presuming that the life in us is more like the life in insects and some reptiles where there is generally a colder more of what we would call a psychopathic or at least sociopathic base for even intraspecies, even intratribal or familial relations. The very qualities you call mercy and pity are part of what we are as social mammals.Opposition to this view is essentially an anti-life ethic which promotes mercy and pity over greatness. — frank
Opposition to this view is essentially an anti-life ethic which promotes mercy and pity over greatness. — frank
By "strong," I mean creative individuals with ambition and determination. By rewarding such individuals with wealth and power, society in general becomes leaner and fitter. — frank
It is easy to win The Survival of the Fittest, just buy a gun and shoot loads of people. — Andrew4Handel
The "fittest" will be American, then. They practice this sort of thing, all the time, in case someone tries to take their gun-toys away from them. — Pattern-chaser
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