Is a tree existentially dependent upon it's relations?
That question is very incomplete. — creativesoul
I've no clear understanding of what the "psychological context of 'existence'" might be. Is it the context in whichi we might use the word 'existence'? — Banno
Phenomenology, rather than psychology. — Banno
I think that those are the kinds of frameworks and/or assertions that Quine is targeting.
— creativesoul
How so? — Banno
Is a tree existentially dependent upon it's relations?
That question is very incomplete.
— creativesoul
It is definitely vague. But you know what its getting at. And what it is getting at is spot on. — Merkwurdichliebe
By using the term "existence" as a predicate. — creativesoul
What are we counting as a tree's relations? — creativesoul
Stringing stuff together is easy. — Banno
For me it's not that Rorty finally gets things right but rather that he had the right attitude. The attempt to prove the futility of X seems as futile as X itself. A certain approach is discarded, not refuted. — g0d
A certain approach is discarded, not refuted. — g0d
↪creativesoul Sorry - are you saying Quine treated "exists" as a predicate? — Banno
Is a tree existentially dependent upon it's relations?
That question is very incomplete.
— creativesoul
It is definitely vague. But you know what its getting at. And what it is getting at is spot on.
— Merkwurdichliebe
That has yet to have been determined.
What are we counting as a tree's relations? — creativesoul
One example would be all necessary conditions that are not inherent to the tree itself, which are nonetheless required for its existence. — Merkwurdichliebe
One example would be all necessary conditions that are not inherent to the tree itself, which are nonetheless required for its existence. — Merkwurdichliebe
Is a tree existentially dependent upon all necessary conditions that are not inherent to the tree itself, which are nonetheless required for its existence? — creativesoul
I also invoked the consideration of whether or not a thing's existence is dependent upon its relations. — Merkwurdichliebe
Is a tree existentially dependent upon all necessary conditions that are not inherent to the tree itself, which are nonetheless required for its existence? — creativesoul
Necessary conditions not inherent to the tree itself"... What? "... which are nonetheless required for its existence"...
Looks like word salad. — Banno
Necessary conditions not inherent to the tree itself"... What? "... which are nonetheless required for its existence"...
Looks like word salad.
— Banno
So there are no conditions that are required for the existence of a tree? Explain yourself — Merkwurdichliebe
Yup. I'm beginning to arrive at the same conclusion. — creativesoul
Is a tree dependent upon it's relations?
Is a tree's existence dependent upon it's relations?
How are we to make sense of this? — creativesoul
The presupposition of existence is not existentially dependent upon language use.
All notions of "existence" are.
— creativesoul
That is also a very good point to consider.
Language is certainly not existence as such. Yet each are it intrinsically bound up in the other. — Merkwurdichliebe
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