It seems nonsensical to me. I have no reason to believe that Marx was exhausting the possibilities of how we can do things, and I have no reason to believe that Marx was ferreting out anything like scientific principles or logical principles or implications. — Terrapin Station
How will/would the working class move society towards socialism? By organising the power of the working class in opposition to capitalists, and towards a society friendlier to the needs of the people. — Bitter Crank
Marx outlined two phases of progress that must be completed before communism can prevail. — Wallows
Which texts are you referring to?
There are a lot of interpretations. Some argue the reverse of what you are saying about "phases." — Valentinus
Socialism didn't work anywhere where it was tried, so hopefully nobody is trying to leap back to that misery.However, I don't believe we will ever be able to make the leap from socialism to communism. — Wallows
No.Here's why... Socialism is the golden mean between the benefits of progress and prosperity that competition entails under capitalism, whilst preserving the benefits of the proto-communist state through high taxation and redistributive policies. — Wallows
A rising tide lifts all boats, as they say. — Wallows
Yes; but, if the economic conditions are not ready to introduce pure socialism or even utopian communism, then it will fail. What I described in the OP is an operational rationale, under economic terms, for the state of affairs that would precipitate a successful socialist state. — Wallows
Socialism didn't work anywhere where it was tried — ssu
As for Marx, Popper's critique stands good for me. — Banno
I can't recall Popper's exact line off the top of my head, but it was to the effect that when spontaneous revolution, as per Marx's original writings, failed to arrive, his devotees saved the theory at the expense of its falsifyability. — Theologian
anyone who says that Marx claimed Communism was inevitable - as if it can arrive fully formed without human agency - clearly hasn't read Marx. — Maw
Okay, I have to cop to that. But such is my understanding of him. If it's wrong, perhaps you could tell us what he does say, and where. — Theologian
The SEP also disagrees with you — Theologian
I am disinclined to invest the level of effort necessary to come to a really well informed view of my own. — Theologian
I'll be honest: I am disinclined to invest the level of effort necessary to come to a really well informed view of my own. — Theologian
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