I found this article to be particularly useful in understanding the nuances of 'cultural appropriation', and I strongly recommend reading it. The author understands cultural appropriation as twofold: "first, an issue of cultural exploitation, and second, an issue of cultural disrespect". It does not mean that a culture "owns" something that cannot be adopted or re-purposed by another culture. — Maw
if my school had 'New York Pastrami Sandwiches' but it was served on potato bread instead of traditional rye bread, I would seek to have it corrected. — Maw
Well, I think using other people's work without compensating them fairly due to it being another cultural group one looks down on as cultural appropriation. It's not a sensitivity thing, though sensitivity may end up making mountains out of mole hills in cases where that is the case.I still don’t see anything noteworthy. I do notice a common thread of far left types pushing this narrative though. It doesn’t shock me that people are more sensitive about this in the US due to the history regarding race relations. — I like sushi
Some on the right will be offended by someone wearing priest outfits, going as Jesus, wearing certain military uniforms if they are not earned, burning a flag, wearing the flag as part of an outfit, going as certain historical figures (per se or if there is something mocking about it) and so on. Hell, you can get beat up for wearing what is considered weird or the wrong clothes by conservatives.I would wear a Indian headdress as a costume just as I’d wear a military uniform or other religious garb. Just because offensive is felt it doesn’t mean it is intended; it is almost like people are being primed to be offended and assume the worst in people. — I like sushi
Only bad copies? What if they are good copies being sold as authentic? If you make good or bad copies of powerful people's works of art, they will come after you and force you to stop, including jail time. A difference is that in one situation you have a group that has come up with something, which makes it harder to patent/copywrite. The other difference is the power. Regardless it is parasitic.I don’t accept this as a monetary issue either. If people produce bad copies of authentic art and get caught they should be prosecuted - false advertising. If they make bad copies of traditional art and sell them at a huge profit then good for them! — I like sushi
Some on the right will be offended by someone wearing priest outfits, going as Jesus, wearing certain military uniforms if they are not earned, burning a flag, wearing the flag as part of an outfit, going as certain historical figures (per se or if there is something mocking about it) and so on. Hell, you can get beat up for wearing what is considered weird or the wrong clothes by conservatives. — Coben
Well, I think using other people's work without compensating them fairly due to it being another cultural group one looks down on as cultural appropriation.
Only bad copies? What if they are good copies being sold as authentic?
Would it be considered being offended if one got upset when others got offended? Then, I'm in. It would be lovely because I find that those with power are oddly the least able to deal with being their sacred cows and themselves being offended. IOW it is not just a negative rule for them. Then don't just need not to be offended, but they must shown respect and fawned over in ways they feel no obligation to aim at others.How about if we (a) try to not be offended by anything, and (b) don't treat it as taboo to offend the offendable? — Terrapin Station
If that is how you define the term great. It seems reasonable enough. How on earth this can be proven is a more confusing matter. Also, “using” meaning plagiarism is already considered bad news.
I don’t quite see how using an artistic style of another person/s - short of copying - is necessarily bad though. If things are being relabelled and repackaged with an intent to deceive then I am against it. — I like sushi
That's fine that you don't care and are consistant. Just wanted to point out that it's not just a left thing to get offended.As to your second comment, I don’t care much really. Right, left, extreme conservatives, or zealous contrary liberalism ... they’re all equal prey to their own stupidity and I’ve no qualms about wearing any kind of garb if it suits me to do so for the reasons I choose - those offended can be offended — I like sushi
I specifically said ‘bad’ because if they were good, or better, in quality then I doubt anyone would mind too much as it would draw attention to something great for everyone to benefit from. If they were falsely presented as being produced by someone that hadn’t produced them though that would be plagiarism/lies. — I like sushi
We certainly should remain aware that there are individuals out there who wish to purposefully misrepresent and demean others - that should be something to keep in mind and expand our perspectives rather than to double down imo. — I like sushi
Would it be considered being offended if one got upset when others got offended? — Coben
They can jsut be as offended as loudly and emotionally as they like, since this also would no longer be offensive. — Coben
I agree it's broader, but is there a reason that expressing upsetness would be a taboo?If one's offended when others are offended. Equating "upset" with "offended" is questionable. "Upset" is broader than "offended," as, for example, one is upset when one is worried about one's health, or when one is sad, but neither makes much sense to characterize as "offense." — Terrapin Station
I am trying to put it in a wider context, where I find taboos on all sorts of perceived as not respectful enough interactions as widespread and for me most troublesome when the other person has the ability to hurt me, withhold something I need, punish me in practical ways. So in that context I don't see a reason to focus on one kind of getting upset about the way someone seemed to be implying or was implying something about me I didn't like.If you're trying to not be offended, then sure, ideally that wouldn't be offensive to you. It's not that no one is going to be offended, but why don't we try not to be, and also not treat it as taboo when someone offends the offendable? — Terrapin Station
The problem is, I think, that groups are not protected against plaigarism, though individual writers, say, are.
Still, what we read in the papers is the silliness of certain SJWs — fishfry
LOL, Well I've had plenty of "New York pizza" on the left coast, but never any actual New York pizza. But you don't actually go into Togo's or Subway and thoughtfully explain to them that the meat product they sell as pastrami is to actual pastrami as cardboard is to steak. Do you? — fishfry
My point is is that food can be a very vital and proud expression of one's culture, and if someone finds that someone is treating a culturally important cuisine haphazardly or indifferently, people, across cultures and ethnicities, can rightly get upset. — Maw
According to CDS management, these dishes are a result of Bon Appétit’s foray into nutritional diversity. The food service company has recently been upping their output of cultural dishes in an attempt to diversify students’ options in taste and flavor profile.
They upset about not getting what they paid for. If I ordered a traditional Vietnamese banh mi and got that I’d demand a refund. You’re maybe confusing bring ripped off with so-called ‘cultural appropriation’? — I like sushi
Yes, but apparently it isn't limited to that anymore. I just love it when these blossoms of American Leftist-culture are copy pasted in the exact same form to everywhere around the Globe. Hence you can find the same discussion everywhere.the term as originally introduced (in the 70s) in its anti-colonialist sense has value — Baden
misapplications or appreciate the importance of others' cultural behaviours, practices, symbols, and artefacts and their vulnerability to abuse. — Baden
And some in the Sami community (and others people supporting them) have argued that only Sami ought to use the costume — ssu
If we’re talking about misuse, misapplication and misrepresentation of other cultures fair enough. — I like sushi
I wouldn't refer to 'they' here to the Sami in general, as I think majority don't care about if someone else uses their traditional dress or a cheap copy of it.Just curious what the heck their argument would be for that. — Terrapin Station
I think you got the hang of it, but I'd say it's this lazyness of how the 'woke' journalists takes the a controversial media debate from the US and then tries to make a similar "controversy" in the domestic scene. So when the debate in the US has been about 'cultural appropriation', doesn't take long for the similar discussion to 'erupt' here too. That it never has been a problem before tells something.So, an interesting example, but I'm unsure of the target of your critique. — Baden
I don’t see the need to refer to ‘theft’ of culture though. — I like sushi
Without a thorough discussion on what ‘culture’ means and what ‘intellectual property’ is I don’t see how we can sensibly deal with another level of ambiguity - here or anywhere else.
The OP has opened up an interesting topic. I’m still confused about the meaning of the term; regardless of any political position being pushed by this or that zealous/naive group/s. — I like sushi
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