I'm still wondering what you're thinking it would be difficult to be informed about when it comes to drugs.

Sigh, I wish I had better insight about what you are going through to be of support. I guess there's nothing I can do to be of some comfort to you man.

Maybe not so much difficult as risky. Anyway, I'll probably take that risk again someday. Maybe it's just my paranoia, just always feel like a guy would if he's about to have unprotected sex with someone who gets around when I have an opportunity to partake in these kinds of drugs (which fortunately isn't often).

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That's understandable. The issue, though, is why should other people be able to legally prohibit you from choosing to take those risks? Why would you want to give other people that sort of dominion over your life?

It is immoral to break the law. — tim wood

If the law is immoral, I have no problem with people breaking it, and ideally, I'd like the law to be nullified via tons of people breaking it, or refusing to enforce it as juries, etc.

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Each individual. Morality is a matter of individual judgment.

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"Right" morally refers to an preference of behavior that an individual has.

There is no objective "right" in the sense of "correct" when it comes to morality, because there are no objective moral judgments.

The issue, though, is why should other people be able to legally prohibit you from choosing to take those risks? Why would you want to give other people that sort of dominion over your life? — Terrapin Station

Well, not for the most part. I'd probably be okay with other people taking these risks (if they prefer), if I didn't have to when seeking out the same drug.I just Ser some regulatory enactments as good when people want to be risky even to the point of risking the wellbeing of others in the crossfire (like smoking in establishments and imposing second hand smoke on everyone in your proximity, drunk driving, etc.)

Last thing I want to do is give other people entitled dominion over my life though. That would be quintessentially "wrong" (immoral).

By the way, look up "conflate." — tim wood

This actually tells me a great deal about what Im dealing with here. Stunning.
How can you possibly know the meaning of the word “conflate” AND not understand how it applies here rather pointedly?! You sir, should look it up. Then, stop and think about what other egregious errors you might be making.
In the meantime Ill be here, contemplating what little hope humanity has. Little. Hope. Hopeless, one might say. I will think on the hopelessness of ALL mankind Tim Wood, because of you and what you’ve done here today.

Sure, but that's not saying that it's immoral to do drugs or take risks oneself. The issue you're bringing up is an issue of putting other persons' lives at risk nonconsensually. That's a different idea. You can put other people's lives in danger nonconsensually with all sorts of things, including texting while you're driving, including other (legal) chemicals you have on your person that are dangerous in non-ventilated spaces--like turpentine, say. Those things aren't at all specifically issues about drugs/drug-taking.

It seems like there's maybe not a clear idea (in general, based on other posts from other people, too) of the difference between consensual and nonconsensual activities?

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Means that according to you, everyone can do what they like. — tim wood

"If the law is immoral" --obviously I'm saying in my view.

You're doing that thing where you're figuring that people are going to defer to an "objective view." An "objective view" is a category error for this realm.

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It seems like there's maybe not a clear idea (in general, based on other posts from other people, too) of the difference between consensual and nonconsensual activities? — Terrapin Station

I've had some unfortunate life experiences on this matter. Accused of all sorts of things I didn't intentionally go into thinking to myself "this is non-consensual and I'm aware of this in my going through with [variable]" as being a violation against consent.

So to answer the focus of the thread IMO, no, I don't think it's immoral to do illegal drugs.

It wasn't even immoral to drink in a speakeasy during prohibition, just happened to be illegal.

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From our friends online:
"If you confuse A with B, it means you don't know the difference between them, or you think they're the same thing. Conflate, on the other hand, doesn't mean what one might expect. If you conflate A with B, it means you combine them and come up with something that's related to both, but different from either." — tim wood

As opposed to asserting that A and B are one and the same and no different, that then it's contrarily the very designation of differentiating a concept into A and B that is the fallacy.

Isn't that what you're proposing, that differentiating A (immorality) from B (illegality) is a fallacy?

Your view destroys (in a Kantian sense) law. — tim wood

And yet we (he) still go to jail if we break the law. So what was destroyed? It seems you are attributing much more to "law" than it typically entails. I have no more "duty" to obey the law than I have a "duty" to use proper grammar.

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What I have argued is that there seems a natural evolution of tribe->community->law->morality that further evolves under reason, when communities have the luxury of being reasonable. — tim wood

Moral foundations have nothing to do with reason. They're purely individual preferences.

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...and, immoral because illegal. — tim wood

And, in this case, you personally find the above applies to drug use. Is it accurate to infer that?

Can you give me an example of what it wouldn't apply to referring to an example that can presently be found here in the US [A not immoral because illegal] ?

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Today, however, it is nearly impossible to not be a member of a community - never mind whether or not you want to be. That imposes duties. — tim wood

How and in what sense would you say it imposes duties? Do you just mean things that you'll be possibly fined, arrested, etc. for?

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