I like coffee ice cream. That over there is coffee ice cream. So far, objective facts — tim wood
Be good enough to provide your definition of "fact." You can refer me back and I'll look for it. — tim wood
A heroine addict mother wouldn’t be good for her child — Frotunes
Who would disagree with that? That a mother addicted to heroine is worse for a child than were she sober? — Frotunes
Facts are states of affairs. Ways that things are. Remember that the subjective/objective distinction refers to mental phenomena versus non-mental phenomena. — Terrapin Station
On your definition of subjective/objective, everything is subjective - how not? — tim wood
The world may not be, but everything we do with, in, or about it is brain based. So the question, how do you divide between subjective/objective? You can go all Samuel Johnson and kick a stone, but that wont answer.That's not at all the case, since most of the world isn't brain phenomena. — Terrapin Station
The world may not be, but everything we do with, in, or about it is brain based. — tim wood
To do something with it, there has to be an it. Most of the world is the it. The division is between our brains functioning in a mental way and the it--everything else that exists. — Terrapin Station
How do you know anything about the "objective" world? Not do, but how. — tim wood
The crux of the difference here (as I’m seeing it) is that Tim is asserting that mental activity is ultimately based in the physical world, whereas Terrapin is asserting that there is something fundamentally different about mental activity. — EricH
My point is that Terrapin's division into mental and non-mental - which I appreciate him providing - is very problematic, and for his purposes untenable because inconsistent. — tim wood
How do you know anything about the "objective" world? Not do, but how.
— tim wood
That's very simple: you observe it via your senses. — Terrapin Station
There's nothing problematic or inconsistent about it. — Terrapin Station
Just exactly what is it? — tim wood
Only inconsistent if you make your division between mental and non-mental. — tim wood
Is it too much to specify an inconsistency? — Terrapin Station
But you never, ever, saw a tree in your whole life, and never did anyone else, ever. — tim wood
But the fact is that whatever you take to be the tree, just is your mental representation. — tim wood
Facts are states of affairs. Ways that things are. Remember that the subjective/objective distinction refers to mental phenomena versus non-mental phenomena. So an objective fact is a state of affairs that is NOT mental phenomena. — Terrapin Station
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